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Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

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post #7

If you have ever worked in no-tech IT sectors, such as financial institutions, you'll notice that the overal level of knowledge, even with senior developers, is limited, which makes someone who is just'good'very quickly a 10x developer. But it's not the 10x developer that is super good here, it's the other team members, who are just utter shit

Just to share somewhat of a "corollary" to this: if you get into one of such institutions, chances are there already is a "10x developer" and chances are those environments are the kind of environments where a few people (or maybe a single person) can monopolize the decision making process (because they are regarded as the 10x developer). So think twice about pursuing such environments: very often it's not the other…

Interesting how developers who are just better than the average Joe instantly get labeled a narcesist

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#12
post #7

If you have ever worked in no-tech IT sectors, such as financial institutions, you'll notice that the overal level of knowledge, even with senior developers, is limited, which makes someone who is just'good'very quickly a 10x developer. But it's not the 10x developer that is super good here, it's the other team members, who are just utter shit

Just to share somewhat of a "corollary" to this: if you get into one of such institutions, chances are there already is a "10x developer" and chances are those environments are the kind of environments where a few people (or maybe a single person) can monopolize the decision making process (because they are regarded as the 10x developer). So think twice about pursuing such environments: very often it's not the other…

Corollary to this: if you find that there is one engineer monopolizing the entire decision-making process, perhaps it's because everyone else is utter shit, and said engineer is tired of having to deal with the insanity of maintaining non-sense thought up by mercurial incompetents without a semblance of technical ability? Perhaps these "toxic behaviors" are a coping strategy to deal with an organization that is woefully unskilled compared to said engineer? Perhaps the only way to necessitate one's career growth in such places is to wrangle what one would consider are actual toddlers, who simply do not care at all about the tech (incredibly common in non-tech orgs).

Perhaps said engineer would be happy to share the glory and fun work, if you made friends, demonstrated competency and initiative, and learned to play the (fucking) game?

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#13
post #5

> Instead of an engineer who’s an order of magnitude “better” than their peers, leaders should look for people who are willing and able to learn—and to help their whole team learn and execute, too. No. Build a whole team with people who willing to learn new stuff around that rock star.

To continue the analogy: Rock stars want to rock, not to teach music.

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Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#14
post #5

> Instead of an engineer who’s an order of magnitude “better” than their peers, leaders should look for people who are willing and able to learn—and to help their whole team learn and execute, too. No. Build a whole team with people who willing to learn new stuff around that rock star.

To continue the analogy: Rock stars want to rock, not to teach music.

> Rock stars want to rock, not to teach music.

Even rock stars do not do that alone. Somebody has to put the equipment together, sell tickets, record their music, play bass.

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#15
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to share somewhat of a "corollary" to this: if you get into one of such institutions, chances are there already is a "10x developer" and chances are those environments are the kind of environments where a few people (or maybe a single person) can monopolize the decision making process (because they are regarded as the 10x developer). So think twice about pursuing such environments: very often it's not the other…

Interesting how developers who are just better than the average Joe instantly get labeled a narcesist

Considering how hypothetical all this discussion is, you seem to be overstating the matter.

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

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post #5

> Instead of an engineer who’s an order of magnitude “better” than their peers, leaders should look for people who are willing and able to learn—and to help their whole team learn and execute, too. No. Build a whole team with people who willing to learn new stuff around that rock star.

To continue the analogy: Rock stars want to rock, not to teach music.

And yet if you want to build an empire of rock music, the person who teaches stars to rock is vastly more important than any one star.

Even the 5x dev who teaches just 2 others to be 5x devs is more impactful than the lone 10x dev that ignores their team, and always will be.

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#17
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To continue the analogy: Rock stars want to rock, not to teach music.

> Rock stars want to rock, not to teach music. Even rock stars do not do that alone. Somebody has to put the equipment together, sell tickets, record their music, play bass.

So you mean rock star should leave music and teach people how to sell tickets and mix tracks?

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#18
post #7

If you have ever worked in no-tech IT sectors, such as financial institutions, you'll notice that the overal level of knowledge, even with senior developers, is limited, which makes someone who is just'good'very quickly a 10x developer. But it's not the 10x developer that is super good here, it's the other team members, who are just utter shit

Just to share somewhat of a "corollary" to this: if you get into one of such institutions, chances are there already is a "10x developer" and chances are those environments are the kind of environments where a few people (or maybe a single person) can monopolize the decision making process (because they are regarded as the 10x developer). So think twice about pursuing such environments: very often it's not the other…

I was great in a crisis in dev/IT, and always said 'sure, we can do that', which got me to the top. You know who you want at the top? Not the person that thrives on crisis, but the person that hates it and goes to great length to ensure stability and prevent it. Luckily I realized that and empowered the guy I inherited who was on a 'PIP' plan because he was always the 'we can't do it', went too slow, let's think this through guy.

Re: The 10x developer makes their whole team better

#20
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to share somewhat of a "corollary" to this: if you get into one of such institutions, chances are there already is a "10x developer" and chances are those environments are the kind of environments where a few people (or maybe a single person) can monopolize the decision making process (because they are regarded as the 10x developer). So think twice about pursuing such environments: very often it's not the other…

Corollary to this: if you find that there is one engineer monopolizing the entire decision-making process, perhaps it's because everyone else is utter shit, and said engineer is tired of having to deal with the insanity of maintaining non-sense thought up by mercurial incompetents without a semblance of technical ability? Perhaps these "toxic behaviors" are a coping strategy to deal with an organization that is woefu…

Before anyone dismisses this for tone, this is remarkably realistic.

This is/was me. Working on that.

I was the one to call the shots. Joined years ago, took a thing from lab to a real household product, ran out of steam, then left once the fiefdoms started settling in.

I noticed the impact it had both personally and externally, leaving was an act of care for everyone. I'm still burned out.

I joined a new place and made an ass out of myself in the last couple months, because of this coping mechanism. I'm preconditioned to throw elbows.

Fortunately most around me seem to have realized and allowed me room to learn to be human again.

I appreciate the healthier dynamics. I'm just trying to learn to participate again in good faith. It was taken from me.

The last place was so dysfunctional that me, the effective/favored SRE, was leading literally by consequence - in several senses.

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