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Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by delish »

GJim wrote: post #34
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

> I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates) Hallucinates? I'd use the term 'bullshits' when it doesn't know the right answer. This makes it a dangerous thing to trust.

We need a different word than "hallucinate" or "bullshit" because the LLM is executing the same functionality when it _gets_ the correct answer or incorrect. It doesn't _know_ the correct answer in either case.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by lgas »

GJim wrote: post #34
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

> I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates) Hallucinates? I'd use the term 'bullshits' when it doesn't know the right answer. This makes it a dangerous thing to trust.

You're of course free to use whatever terminology you want, but hallucination is the accepted term in the field for LLMs bullshitting.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by finolex1 »

thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

Perhaps improvements might fizzle out, but a lot of smart people seem to think they won't. The AI models we are using today are the worst that models will ever be in the future. We can't base our valuations on our current experiences with AI today.

5 years ago, just getting a computer to form vaguely relevant grammatically correct sentences felt magical.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by python_pele »

nharada wrote: post #40
seydor wrote: post #31

Why don't we have more robots now? We ve supposedly been waiting for decades for computer vision and navigation to be solved, and now it is. I can think of quite a few things that i want robots to do right now. I don't want more touchscreens

1. It’s not solved 2. Actuation and sensing

3. cost

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by jyunwai »

The commentary focuses on the image generation and image editing features, but it doesn't mention the planned features for text manipulation and text summary. These will arguably be the most useful features for day-to-day device usage.

The ability to easily (and privately) double-check emails for typos and grammar mistakes before sending them out will genuinely be helpful (who hasn't sent a late-night message with a typo?). And if the quality of the text summaries is high, easy summary creation will also be useful for many people.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by choeger »

"AI" (or rather language models) will change the world. But in a very different way. They aren't (and won't become) AGI. They aren't (and won't) replace software engineers (but maybe help them to write better software, or more realistically churn out even more bad software). And they aren't and won't become ultra-wise oracles that can solve any task you throw at them.

But they are an interface between the real world and computing, because everything in the real world revolves around human language. Here are a few things that are actually solved by now, even if we did not yet fully recognize it:

1. automatic human-human translations

2. collection and annotation of all kinds of real-world data (with the help of image recognition, of course)

3. human-machine communication (not decision-making, mind you.)

The most crucial aspect is that other human-machine interfaces will become less relevant. In particular web pages and mobile apps. They might stay as an attempt to capture attention, but they will become less and less relevant for actual usage. Here are a few services that might get by without a web browser or app soon:

1. online banking

2. delivery services (and others like Uber)

3. small business that basically only need to manage appointments online (doctors, lawyers, car shops)

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by vhiremath4 »

seydor wrote: post #31

Why don't we have more robots now? We ve supposedly been waiting for decades for computer vision and navigation to be solved, and now it is. I can think of quite a few things that i want robots to do right now. I don't want more touchscreens

There is currently a proliferation of robotics companies of all shapes and sizes. Lots of capital is being deployed into robotics. My best guess is give it 3-5 years before we start to see and accept that there will be many more robot friends among us both in industry and our personal lives.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by righthand »

xyzzy4747 wrote: post #18

"Nobody can explain why we need the internet in our lives" Soon people might figure out you technically need nothing except a lean-to for cover from the elements and some basic food.

This is facetious, the magic of the internet was instantly realized but perhaps not immediately embraced full on. The magic of LLMs is still being felt out from the tech it’s based on.

Send signals between machines is a lot bigger and different than dump everything into a statistical model.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by jlarocco »

xyzzy4747 wrote: post #18

"Nobody can explain why we need the internet in our lives" Soon people might figure out you technically need nothing except a lean-to for cover from the elements and some basic food.

Has anybody really said that about the internet, though? I've never heard it.

Even immediately after the .com bubble burst it was still obvious the web had a ton of potential for communication, knowledge sharing, etc.

The only thing AI seems good at is pumping out low quality "content", and there was already too much of that before.

Re: Even Apple cannot explain why we need AI in our lives

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Post by HumblyTossed »

finolex1 wrote: post #53
thepasswordis wrote: post #13

It certainly feels like the AI bubble is popping. Code completion is a great use, some writing tools are nice, I love chatGPT for information lookup (while knowing that it hallucinates), ChatGPT/whatever is great for generating icons and some images, and it’s much better at writing in corpo than I am. But…Nvidia as the most valuable company in the world? $1B valuations for freshly minted companies? Radical changes to…

Perhaps improvements might fizzle out, but a lot of smart people seem to think they won't. The AI models we are using today are the worst that models will ever be in the future. We can't base our valuations on our current experiences with AI today. 5 years ago, just getting a computer to form vaguely relevant grammatically correct sentences felt magical.

> but a lot of smart people seem to think they won't.

A lot of smart people _always_ seem to think won't fizzle out.

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