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EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by belter »

anigbrowl wrote: post #81
belter wrote: post #7

EU is, and always was, a compensation job for failed national politicians at their respective national levels. It's the trade horse for allowing your party buddies to take over the government jobs. EU politicians should keep their over inflated salaries, and stick to what they are good at. Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants.

EU was established to provide mutual economic and military security in Europe on a federal model following WW2, and it's done very well in that aim. Of course it's not perfect, but shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.

> shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.

The previous Portuguese PM António Costa, who had to resign amid a corruption inquiry...Has just been announced today for an EU role that will triplicate his previous annual salary as Portuguese prime minister

"Portuguese PM António Costa resigns amid corruption probe" - https://www.politico.eu/article/portugal-prime-minister-anto....

"Portugal's Antonio Costa expected to be next head of European Council" - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/portugals-antonio-costa...

"...Costa's appetite for a top European position has been an open secret for years. In March 2022, amid speculation Costa was angling for a Brussels job, Portuguese President Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa warned him that he would call an election if he were to leave his post early..."

It is a graft and of the worst kind, and naive takes like yours is what led to scenarios like Brexit. It's a jobs for the boys organization and you are not part of the club.

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Post by radicalbyte »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #121
radicalbyte wrote: post #53

I already kicked up a shit here in NL together with a few other well connected people (with success) but it's a little frustrating that there's little more to do other than hope that nerds in other EU countries can make a difference.

Would it help if more Netherlanders made some noise, or is there really no further action possible?

Thankfully some key people in the civil service understand the dangers extremely well & listen to the advice of the same voices we listen to :)

It's really disappointing that Sweden are behind this as they have some extremely talented people only they aren't being listened to.

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Post by radicalbyte »

risson wrote: post #200
radicalbyte wrote: post #53

I already kicked up a shit here in NL together with a few other well connected people (with success) but it's a little frustrating that there's little more to do other than hope that nerds in other EU countries can make a difference.

What would you suggest to citizens from other member states (France in my case) to do to sway representatives against this?

Call your representatives and try to get into contact with the key civil servants involved. Then explain the problem to them. Just an honest argument. I mean a lot of us have kids and want to protect them. Totally agree with the concept.

Only this isn't something which can be solved by technical measures without abandoning "Liberté, égalité, fraternité". This is something for China/Russia/Iran/North Korea/England, not France.

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Post by Wytwwww »

anal_reactor wrote: post #267
Wytwwww wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We learnt the value of free speech the hard way, and very slowly Did we though? Unfortunately outside the US and a handful of other places free speech doesn't seem to be valued that much, often it's even viewed as a threat (and I'm not talking about authoritarian regimes). It's a double-edged sword to be fair, enabling misinformation and chaos.

> the US American freedom of speech aka "you can literally be fired and see your life ruined for having a political opinion but you won't go to jail so be thankful"

Yes? That's what it means. Freedom of speech is not the right to impose your opinions on other people or even to force them to listen to you.

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Post by Wytwwww »

anal_reactor wrote: post #304
Dalewyn wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech protects you from prosecution against your speech. The consequences of that speech are a separate matter and not protected by the 1st Amendment. Again, note precisely what is prosecuted here in the US where free speech is a guaranteed Constitutional right. You can with absolute power say whatever you want, but you will need to own up to it. If you don't or can't own up to what you say, don't speak. This i…

You still haven't explained how is that different from North Korea.

Is this some sort of sarcasm?

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Post by adrianmsmith »

FredPret wrote: post #4

This is why the roles of the major players in society (government, monopolies) need to be circumscribed. Large organizations will always try to grow in size and power. We need some sort of human right for digital privacy to make this sort of thing illegal.

> We need some sort of human right for digital privacy to make this sort of thing illegal.

This already exists in the EU, the EU charter of Fundamental Rights https://fra.europa.eu/en/eu-charter/article/7-respect-privat.... states "Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications", however it seems to have been ignored.

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Post by horsh1 »

nicce wrote: post #186
pas wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

page 46. "... measures shall be ... targeted and proportionate in relation to that risk, taking into account, in particular, the seriousness of the risk as well as the provider’s financial and technological capabilities and the number of users; ..." . . It's a big framework to push the industry to have more "parental controls". Everything is covered, but there the actual requirements make sense. See page 45. It's sti…

Writing documents like these with Word is a sin.

Writing any documents with Word is a sin.

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Post by godelski »

theshrike79 wrote: post #283
godelski wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft: Replay Apple: Their CSAM detection system that was lambasted not too long ago[0] [0] https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/Expanded_Protections_...

Ahh, the Misunderstanding Olympics of 2021 The Apple system was pretty much the best way this could be done short of having a 100% reliable "AI" system on-device detecting bad stuff.

> 100% reliable "AI" system

It wasn't 100% reliable and in fact people quickly found collisions. Which you should expect to be able to with an even more advanced system.

> Ahh, the Misunderstanding Olympics of 2021

There's much nicer ways to say this that is congruent with community standards[0]. If you believe I have misunderstood then try pointing out specifically what I have misunderstood instead of just making an assertion.

But the question was if anyone was aware of any client side scanning technology that could in fact check for stuff such as CSAM. In fact, the Apple system was developed explicitly for this purpose, so yes, this does exist. While Replay doesn't have this explicitly feature stated (that I'm aware of), it is not a big step to think that you can just smash the two things together. As Apple shows a system detecting based on images and Replay is taking images of one's computer.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by anal_reactor »

Wytwwww wrote: post #315
anal_reactor wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You still haven't explained how is that different from North Korea.

Is this some sort of sarcasm?

"Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from being punished for saying things" I'm sorry but there's no universe in which this makes any sense.

Either we say that people are free to express their opinions, or we punish people for saying things we don't like. Can't have both at the same time.

The other guy used the argument "but the US constitution guarantees freedom of speech" yeah so does North Korean, argument invalid.

I don't understand why this step "if people can be punished for saying something then they don't have freedom of speech" isn't an obvious logical statement.

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