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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 12:56 PM UTC

dheera wrote: post #456

TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

I don't think "being in the Play store" means something is trustable, it just means you trust Google Play Services and Google with all of your data, and by extension, the US government. Being located in the US, I am arguably far more concerned about the US government tracking me than the Chinese government. The US government has jurisdiction over me, the Chinese government does not.

> Being located in the US, I am arguably far more concerned about the US government tracking me than the Chinese government.

I read this BS so often that it feels manufactured.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:08 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #651

dheera wrote: post #456

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think "being in the Play store" means something is trustable, it just means you trust Google Play Services and Google with all of your data, and by extension, the US government. Being located in the US, I am arguably far more concerned about the US government tracking me than the Chinese government. The US government has jurisdiction over me, the Chinese government does not.

> Being located in the US, I am arguably far more concerned about the US government tracking me than the Chinese government. I read this BS so often that it feels manufactured.

Why BS? The US government can jail me; the Chinese government cannot. I therefore fear surveillance by the US government more than I fear surveillance by the Chinese government.

Now, in an ideal world, I want neither China nor the US monitoring me, nor anyone else. But for me personally, the downside from the US monitoring me is larger.

That line of reasoning seems sound to me. If you see a flaw in it, state what the flaw is, rather than just labeling it "BS".

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

henvic wrote: post #28

DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:09 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #178

So I guess the new viable business strategy in the US is: 1. Find a sector which a foreign companies dominates 2. Enter this sector even with a bad product 3. Go to congress and get the other ones banned because they are "insert reason here".

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by moonlion_eth » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:21 PM UTC

rainsford wrote: post #524

redserk wrote: post #504

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To start: I do not trust the CCP, but my trust in the American legal system has been waning. What's the legal recourse for a US Citizen served with a dodgy FISA-related subpoena/warrant? Or if a government agency wants to purchase tracking data that includes my phone from a data collection agency? Say the state of Texas purchases geotracking data for app users who cross state lines.

Apple famously told the FBI to go pound sand when asked to help access an iPhone in an actual terrorism case (i.e. it wasn't about going after dissidents or journalists or anything), even though such help was definitely within Apple's technical power. Now, while admitting that I am no way claiming the US is perfect, does anyone actually think something even remotely similar would ever happen between a Chinese company…

Chinese companies are the government heh

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by totalview » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:32 PM UTC

Wider implications beyond just the consumer drone market. My company and several of our clients (who are all much larger companies than us) have $100,000s - $X,000,000s of DJI enterprise drones, batteries, and payloads (Matrice 300, 350, zenmuse p1 camera, etc)

I know the bill still has to go through the senate, but this is going to be a sore subject for a lot of American companies who use DJI equipment.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:34 PM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #652

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being located in the US, I am arguably far more concerned about the US government tracking me than the Chinese government. I read this BS so often that it feels manufactured.

Why BS? The US government can jail me; the Chinese government cannot. I therefore fear surveillance by the US government more than I fear surveillance by the Chinese government. Now, in an ideal world, I want neither China nor the US monitoring me, nor anyone else. But for me personally, the downside from the US monitoring me is larger. That line of reasoning seems sound to me. If you see a flaw in it, state what the…

It skips important details such as courts, juries, and due process. It's a cynical view that the US legal system must work the same way as in authoritarian Communist China.

It sounds like a view that someone living in such a system would have. That your system is equally bad but at least ours is across an ocean. Is it a false equivalence?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by kuschku » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:39 PM UTC

troupo wrote: post #649

kuschku wrote: post #648

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> Edit Where by "expanded to the US" is literally "failed to capture any significant market for a long time" Sure, but they still decided to expand to the US, despite a worse outlook, before expanding to the remaining EU countries. As said, you'd never see a US company do that.

The US is a large, rich homogeneous market with a population of over 300 million. There's no wonder foreign companies want to get a foothold in this market, and it's no wonder US companies don't tend to look outside of the US until there's nothing to do in the US. I don't think anyone disagrees about that.

Sure, but that's exactly my point: The primary factor limiting EU startups isn't regulation, it's that they don't have access to a large, homogeneous, monolinguistic market

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by Workaccount2 » Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 1:49 PM UTC

deciplex wrote: post #617

toss1 wrote: post #529

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Whatever slim you want to think your recourse is in the US, it is FAR better and broader than in the country that has uncounted mobile execution vans with zero available records of who is executed. At least the US is trying to be a democracy, and has largely functioning checks and balances. CCP is flat-out 'you cannot even talk or access information on things that make us look bad, such as Tibet or Tiananmen Protests…

> Playing false equivalence games will end very badly. Okay: Chinese report higher satisfaction with their government and the direction their country is headed in than virtually any Western nation and much more than in the US. The Chinese economy is doing the opposite of enshittification, whereas the US is openly embracing the trend at this point with inflation / capital strikes, shrinkflation, consolidation, rent-se…

China is still a developing nation. China is winning at the junior economic Olympics. The same way all the major 1st world economies dominated it when they were developing.

Come back and waive your victory banner when China has a $60k GDP per capita and has the current growth trends it does. It needs to increase its GDP 500% before that happens though...