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EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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anigbrowl wrote: post #81
belter wrote: post #7

EU is, and always was, a compensation job for failed national politicians at their respective national levels. It's the trade horse for allowing your party buddies to take over the government jobs. EU politicians should keep their over inflated salaries, and stick to what they are good at. Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants.

EU was established to provide mutual economic and military security in Europe on a federal model following WW2, and it's done very well in that aim. Of course it's not perfect, but shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.

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Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by switch007 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #81
belter wrote: post #7

EU is, and always was, a compensation job for failed national politicians at their respective national levels. It's the trade horse for allowing your party buddies to take over the government jobs. EU politicians should keep their over inflated salaries, and stick to what they are good at. Meeting with Google and Microsoft lobbyists at the best Brussels luxury restaurants.

EU was established to provide mutual economic and military security in Europe on a federal model following WW2, and it's done very well in that aim. Of course it's not perfect, but shallow takes like the one above provide nothing of value.

Following WW2? The European Union was established in 1993 with the Maastricht Treaty

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by b112 »

Engineering-MD wrote: post #219
b112 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Signal, unwilling to implement easy to build software to comply with EU regulations, likely due to fiscal concerns, has shown itself placing profit far above the care and concerns of our next generation, our children, and the pedophiles that prey upon them, such heinous creators of child porn." signed EU press release. And so, 96% of people now think Signal is evil.

Which makes no sense as it does not make any profit as a non profit and relies on donations…

You're making my point here.

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Post by tutipop »

dylan604 wrote: post #204
immibis wrote: post #194

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Android does. Apple doesn't, obviously. Even in the EU where they have to.

yes yes, we all know this is the obvious answer. so thanks for that and ignoring the actual point of the question

did you mean to ask if Signal's own infrastructure would geoblock EU users?

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Post by gpvos »

throwawayfear wrote: post #104
gpvos wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hasn't, apart from this Chat Control.

Covid restrictions were significantly worse in the EU than USA, your government locked you all down and made it clear that they decide who works and who doesn’t. To be clear, the USA has some awful cities with those types of ideas too but it was far more rare. EU, Canada, and Australia showed they are teetering towards authoritarian surveillance states more than they are democracy. The more people put their head in t…

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think those were basic public health measures, fully justified. They ended when no longer needed.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by gpvos »

pas wrote: post #187
gpvos wrote: post #84

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How would my device be (self-)reporting?

Based on this proposal the strategy is - providers spend money on having a counter-abuse team - providers and authorities cooperate to identify risks - providers implement proportional controls based on the risks so if Meta/Signal/etc comes up with something they implement it users can continue to run their own private stuff. it seems this has almost nothing do with the organized sex crime stuff, it's about catching…

Okay, so "app", not "device". I was wondering which other app or part of the OS would do that, since obviously Signal won't implement it.

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Post by ziggy_star »

squigz wrote: post #216
ziggy_star wrote: post #196

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Since you unflagged it and appear to be suddenly as befuddled as I am about why it was flagged in the first place it seems that you agree with me that it shouldn't have been. I'd be pretty concerned about these mysterious false flags. P.S. - Mr Slater immediately jumped to your defense with the usual party line. Possibly a bit too quickly this time, your overwhelming fairness is showing guys. I'm touched. I'm more pa…

I don't actually agree. I just wanted to see how you'd respond.

Yes it was obvious bait mr 5d chess. Nobody looking at this thinks it is mysterious either.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by gpvos »

Dig1t wrote: post #107
gpvos wrote: post #84

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How would my device be (self-)reporting?

>End-to-end encrypted services such as Whatsapp or Signal would have to implement the automated searches “prior to transmission” of a message (so-called client-side scanning, Article 10a). So app developers would be required to add code that will scan every message you send for "sensitive" content (which can be defined however the politicians like and be changed any time), and the app will report your message to the…

Okay, so not the device but the Signal app, as I already understood.

Re: EU to greenlight Chat Control tomorrow

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Post by mariusor »

mellosouls wrote: post #136

Headline is clickbait nonsense. Nothing is being greenlighted. Here's the only relevant section, which links to an article [1] that says only that discussion will continue on the 19th June: According to documents leaked by netzpolitik.org, the COREPER 2 meeting in which they will put it [compromise proposal] to a vote will already take place on Wednesday, 19 June. [1] https://netzpolitik.org/2024/anlasslose-massenueb…

Also, I expect "green light" in this context means that it will make it on the EU Parliament's agenda, nothing more. That's still perilously close, but it's not done and dusted yet.

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Post by t0bia_s »

FredPret wrote: post #4

This is why the roles of the major players in society (government, monopolies) need to be circumscribed. Large organizations will always try to grow in size and power. We need some sort of human right for digital privacy to make this sort of thing illegal.

What about letting people to learn about privacy in digital world in first place? Regulations take individual responsibility and create feeling of something is solved by government. But no one knows what exactly, how is it done and most important... Why.
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