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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mrandish »

chasd00 wrote: post #170
lupusreal wrote: post #94

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The bans are inevitable. It's only a matter of time before somebody tries to drop a pipe bomb on a politician.

I hope not, i'm pretty involved in the high power rocketry hobby and the materials/electronics and knowledge exist in the hobby to make something like a guided surface-to-surface rocket with a range in 10s of miles but no one does because it would instantly ruin the hobby for everyone. A friend of mine in heavy into r/c planes and is an embedded engineer so he has a bunch of autopilot stuff going on. I'm sure he can…

Yes, as a long-time fixed-wing RC hobbyist, it's generally the newbie idiots who do stupid things that threaten the entire hobby. Despite all the new rules (which I don't even bother to keep up with anymore), I still fly my planes like I always have. And just like always, I don't bother anyone and no one bothers me.

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Post by Lisdexamfeta »

sbarre wrote: post #337
Lisdexamfeta wrote: post #303

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All Xi has to do is stop barreling towards an invasion of Taiwan. The U.S., Europe, and Japan need to create and enhance a drone industrial base before China invades Taiwan. By the time it has invaded, creating the industrial base will be too late. Also, China has created DJI through government-sponsored industrial policy, not via open markets.

> China has created DJI through government-sponsored industrial policy, not via open markets. So like Boeing, Intel, Lockheed-Martin, GE, IBM, etc.. That's nothing new, just 50-100 years behind the west...

As you well know the scale and effort to dominate external consumer markets is nothing similar.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

segmondy wrote: post #418

I have no need for a drone right now, but looks like I'm now in the market for DJI drones, one or two.

That's how banned book sales work in China: the books don't sell well until the government bans them, and then everyone wants them after that (and can easily get them since China's black market is pretty open).

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Post by gumby »

hackernewds wrote: post #415
dji4321234 wrote: post #350

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> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

> sufficient product telemetry is indistinguishable from surveillance malware Isn't this mandatory given the restrictions required of them to disallow flying in banned areas?

You don't need to phone home in order to implement no-fly zones. All you need to do is download the latest flight restrictions, which could most easily be done anonymously.

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Post by ethbr1 »

beloch wrote: post #247
henvic wrote: post #28

DJI is, by far, the best drone equipment brand for photography, industrial usage, etc. It's disheartening to witness the US embracing protectionism for high-tech. If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market...

Speaking as a Canadian, U.S. trade protectionism is nothing new. It happens all the time and frequently targets allies like Canada rather than rivals like China. What U.S. citizens should watch out for is when U.S. protectionism winds up hurting the U.S.'s own economy. e.g. Tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber may have helped out a few U.S. softwood lumber producers with good lobbyists (and Jimmy Carter), but the incr…

Protectionism, like industry subsidies, is a double-edged sword.

- On the one hand, as SE Asia is intimately familiar with, it can create space to create globally competitive industries.

- On the other hand, it can also remove the incentive for local industries to invest and become technically competitive.

IMHO, what I'd like to see would be a stricter link between protection measures and R&D investment.

If an industry is protected, then it is required to prove it's improving itself + limit returns to shareholders.

E.g. steadily increasing CAFE fuel efficiency standards, requirements to demonstrate decreasing costs of production (lumber and/or steel), etc.

Too often, protection measures are implemented, the excess benefits are skimmed and go directly to shareholders, and the company doesn't increase its global competitiveness (e.g. US Steel).

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Post by theshrike79 »

dji4321234 wrote: post #350
TheChaplain wrote: post #328

I don't trust DJI. I was looking to replace my GoPro with the DJI Action, but their app was not on the Play-store. It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I believe I saw a site that decompiled their app and found a number of worrisome things.

> It can only be side-loaded on Android, because their app breaks a number of policies on privacy and data gathering. I don't think this is the reason, I think it's more that they're just too lazy to jump through the approval and maintenance hoops that come with an app store, especially because their home market (China) doesn't even use the Play Store. The iOS version of their app is Apple-approved and present in the…

What I heard (third hand knowledge) is that the DJI Android software stack can't handle AABs and for some reason it's easier for them to just get people to sideload instead of fixing their toolchain.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

gruez wrote: post #268
mrtksn wrote: post #255

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Obsession with pricing the stock is not healthy. According to western reports, China is at least 15 years ahead of US in Nuclear for example: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-many-15-years-beh... Or public infrastructure, or transportation, or electric cars etc. US is stil ahead in some stuff but the list is getting smaller as the market caps getting bigger and people "richer".

>Obsession with pricing the stock is not healthy. I'm not claiming it is, just that it's far more objective and far less fudgeable than the alternatives. >According to western reports, China is at least 15 years ahead of US in Nuclear for example: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-many-15-years-beh ... >Or public infrastructure, or transportation, or electric cars etc. Arguably all of those is more due to go…

The economic case for nuclear is mostly what keeps it from being built in the USA. The USA built a lot of nuclear power plants in the 70s/80s, and they didn't really pay off even with the government providing free insurance coverage. Likewise, today it is even harder to make the case for a new nuclear power plant since renewables are much cheaper on a kW basis.

Chinese regulation is neither too high nor too low. It would be impossible to build a nuclear plant if the government didn't firmly back it, otherwise there are no barriers that it can't ignore.

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Post by [deleted] »

FredPret wrote: post #384
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #378

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Isn’t the US the weaker partner here?

Struggling to understand in which context the US is the weaker partner. - GDP [0] - Total wealth [1] - Military - Demographics (US - growing, China - aging and shrinking) - Soft power [0] https://tradingeconomics.com/ [1] [ https://www.ubs.com/global/en/family-office-uhnw/reports/glo... ]

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Post by mrandish »

questhimay wrote: post #200
mrandish wrote: post #29

This is so misguided it's breathtaking. Even if one buys into the supposed "harm" it's apparently trying to address, by targeting a specific corporate entity the proposed legislation won't do anything meaningful toward those ends. But it will confuse the market and hurt U.S. hobbyist consumers while being largely unenforceable anyway. It's one of those things that's just so dumb you assume it's only congressional ele…

Why would ou think it's "dumb", when we've already had TikTok ban, tariff on Chinese EV, and chip ban on China? It's very clear that China is an enemy that has to be dealt with by US

I already said why it's dumb

> "the proposed legislation won't do anything meaningful toward those ends."

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