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DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?

I'm not talking about drone legislation here in Europe, but state overreach in tech in general + bad scene for startups compared to the US (for now...) due to politics.

Any concrete examples you are referring to?

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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So, anyone know what DJI is without googling first? Cuz this article doesn't say.

These types of comments confuse me, because it would be faster to Google it and get an answer in 10 seconds than to post a comment and wait for a response.

Besides, from reading the article, context alone should tell you that DJI is a Chinese drone brand.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Those drones will be built for war, how are they competing with DJI who refuses to let their drones be used for war?

Except you can totally use a DJI drone for war. I saw a video the other day of such a drone modified to drop airsoft grenades. Does not take much to replace it with the real thing.

It's not hard to find videos of DJI drones dropping real grenades onto Russians, sometimes straight into the open hatch of a Russian tank. It's harder than it looks on video, but when it works the end result is quite irreversible for the Russians.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Those drones will be built for war, how are they competing with DJI who refuses to let their drones be used for war?

HAHA. DJI drones are amongst the most popular tools of war in the Ukraine conflict. Sometimes they drop bombs directly, but more commonly they're used as long-ranged lookout stations and RF-repeater "hovering motherships" for bomb-equipped one-way FPV drone operators (as well as just general reconnaissance tasks). That said, I don't think this law has anything to do with war, just simple economic protectionism driven…

https://www.skydio.com/solutions/defense

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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It's a meme on Twitter, essentially libertarians are pushing the idea that EU killed its tech industry through heavy reagulation and by tech they mean online advertisement. They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. There's also the top-list theme, making list of top-10 companies by market cap, claiming that if your co…

>They keep posting graphs of market capitalisation claiming that Europe must be failing because doesn't have speculative public trading stocks. Say all you want about "speculative public trading stocks", but I trust public markets' pricing more than private markets[1] or the government[2]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-02-26/what-h... [2] https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/05/2…

Obsession with pricing the stock is not healthy.

According to western reports, China is at least 15 years ahead of US in Nuclear for example: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-many-15-years-beh...

Or public infrastructure, or transportation, or electric cars etc.

US is stil ahead in some stuff but the list is getting smaller as the market caps getting bigger and people "richer".

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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What's the counter examples to highlight Europe's tech successes? Skype? Nokia? Soundcloud? Spotify?

Define success. If it's high stock market cap calculated by multiplying the number of shares with the last trade price Europe doesn't have many of those.

I’d flip the question and ask you by what metrics Europes tech sector is performing comparatively well. Employment? Average salary? ARR? I struggle to think of a metric that’s a positive outlier.

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So I guess the new viable business strategy in the US is: 1. Find a sector which a foreign companies dominates 2. Enter this sector even with a bad product 3. Go to congress and get the other ones banned because they are "insert reason here".

Every country does it from time to time. We are going to see the end of globalisation as we have known it for the last 30+ years. The Russians and the Chinese made everyone realise that it is better to make stuff at home.

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What an utterly ridiculous response. In your eyes, businesses should be able to run roughshod over the consumer? Yes, maybe the laws could have been more polished or have been implemented in a better way, but the underlying idea of protecting the consumer is the important takeaway from these laws.

>What an utterly ridiculous response. To be fair to them, i think it was sarcasm.

On HN, you can be sure there are several people who literally believe the world would be better without any regulations or laws forcing businesses to do anything. This place is the pinnacle of anarcho-capitalism.

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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Doesn't this seem at odds with the facts? China isn't militarily supporting Russia or Ukraine. Ukraine's drone army is built from cheap Chinese drones. China is neutral. The argument that it hasn't sanctioned Russia means it is a party to the war on Russia's side is an argument of the form "if you aren't with us, you are against us." But then, you'd think the US would levy the same kind of vitriol at e.g. India. Chin…

China is not neutral

China supporting Russia in massive military expansion, US says. Beijing helping with drone production, space-based capabilities and ballistic missile production https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/12/china-supporti...

China is lead by a dictator

Biden calls Xi a dictator https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-calls-xi-dictator-after-...

Germany's foreign minister called Xi Jinping a “dictator” https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/19/china/china-germany-xi-dictat...

Re: DJI ban passes the House and moves on to the Senate

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>If the United States does this, it might as well join the European Union's decadence in killing tech startups by stifling the competitiveness of their market... I can still buy a DJI drone here in Europe. What stifling are you referring to?

I've heard offhand here that the ease of starting a business in general is easier in the US and that funding for tech startups is more available in the US due to policy. Totally hearsay from me.

Regulation isn't going to stop innovation that much, or the tech industry wouldn't be in california. The primary difference is that the US is one homogenous, huge market.

If I build something in California, to California's laws, and it becomes a success, I can immediately sell it across the entire rest of the US, and I can expand across the US, using the same employment contracts as in california, same lawyers as in california, etc.

Sure, later on I can save money by making the Delaware version of my product with more cancerous chemicals, or have stricter NDAs in my Florida contracts.

But if I start with California regulations, I can expand to the entire US with a small team of employees.

There's nothing like that in Europe. If my product works in Germany, I'll need a french, spanish, italian translation to sell it in these countries. I can't just hire people from these countries either — they've got different holidays, different work hours, different unions I'll have to deal with. Different tax codes and agencies. And often these are conflicting with one another.

In the US, I need one or two support shifts in one or two languages. In the EU I need 27. In the US, I need one version of the product, with one plug. In the EU, unless I'm okay with 10A and a plastic chassis, I need a dozen different versions.

And even if the product can be used universally, European culture is significantly more diverse than US culture.

Is a phone call at 7am or 8pm more appropriate? Depends on whether you're in Germany or Spain. When a job applicant includes a photo of themselves and lists their parents' degrees and jobs on their own CV, is that appropriate or not? In Germany, that's often expected, in many other regions, a huge no-go.

To be successful in the US, I need to build one company. To be successful in the EU, I need to build a multinational corporation with 27 local branches.

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