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French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by immibis »

aniviacat wrote: post #200
immibis wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That law was never proposed. Only laws that are beneficial to the ruling class get proposed.

The voters decide who is part of the "ruling class". If the voters choose representatives who only pass laws which benefit themselves, then that is a choice the voters made. If the voters are unsatisfied with their choice, they can change their mind in the next vote. (Read: The status quo is the status quo because most people are prefer the status quo.)

I wasn't aware I ever voted for Elon Musk to have money.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by csomar »

TZubiri wrote: post #180
sealeck wrote: post #168

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This is literally just a framing issue. Note first that people generally believe in universal human rights, e.g. states shouldn't be allowed to do horrible things (e.g. genocide) just because they would be asserting their national rights. Further the action of a single state often influences other states, as is especially true when it comes to the internet which is global by nature.

If you are comparing genocide with blocking pirating websites, I'm out

It’s a slippery slope. Once you start losing rights, how low can you go? Historically, governments will go very low. A bad election (which is a real risk now in France) and there you have a facist state.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by collaborative »

Theft is theft, don't matter if it's irl or online. As a developer who periodically witnesses users spending hours trying to circumvent 1 dollar payments I think that the time has come for the piracy culture to end. And I used to do piracy too

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by Aissen »

bastien2 wrote: post #30

A great example of why you should be running your own validating recursor instead of relying on a third party

The problem is that if everyone does that, DNS no longer scales; or it should be done smartly with only recursing censored answers. And then it will escalate with IP-level blocking of root servers or NS servers of censored websites.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by aniviacat »

immibis wrote: post #201
aniviacat wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The voters decide who is part of the "ruling class". If the voters choose representatives who only pass laws which benefit themselves, then that is a choice the voters made. If the voters are unsatisfied with their choice, they can change their mind in the next vote. (Read: The status quo is the status quo because most people are prefer the status quo.)

I wasn't aware I ever voted for Elon Musk to have money.

Elon Musk never passed a law. The representatives chosen by the voters did. These representatives do not magically enter the government; they are selected by the voters. The voters freely decide wether they wish to have representatives who pass laws which are benefitial to Elon Musk.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by zelphirkalt »

immibis wrote: post #165
zelphirkalt wrote: post #126

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But rarely do they have the courage to quit their jobs or go on strike, when Google does the next anti privacy thing.

They tried it against Google's support of Israel and were immediately fired.

Becomes a question of how much you are willing to stand for. If being pro genocide is acceptable, then I guess staying is OK.

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Post by paledot »

NilMostChill wrote: post #95
Volundr wrote: post #79

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It's not required that they do so in order to implement a France only block. They just geolocate the requesting IP, and give different answers based on that. Same as Netflix or any other provider geo blocking there content, with the same workarounds. But also, in answer to your question, sort of, yes. 1.1.1.1 is any cast so that users will be routed to a server geographically near them. So then 1.1.1.1 a user gets in…

The venn diagram of people who are technically savvy enough to be able to alter their dns records and people who can and will use a VPN to work around an ip geolocation block is almost a single circle.

Google tried to make that argument in first, but was unsuccessful.

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Post by hulitu »

Dalewyn wrote: post #21
bognition wrote: post #13

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In the last decade Tech has become part of the establishment. They are one of the dominant controlling forces. The blackout was _not_ about preserving free speech, or any other moral high road. It was purely about control. Tech hadn’t yet cemented their position as a dominant player and didn’t want to cede the control they had. Now that they’ve embedded themselves in the ruling class they don’t care as much because t…

There's also the nuance that while SOPA/PIPA were bills being legislated for potential passage, France is citing laws already in effect. For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO.

> For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO.

Except when is ruled by , in which case you impose a small fine as to not upset .

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by darby_nine »

amatecha wrote: post #86
darby_nine wrote: post #20

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Tech has always been part of the establishment, funded by capital trying to solve capital's problems. The only part of tech that really deviates from this is the free software community, which has always been hostile to capital. The blackout day emerged from people, not the industry, and people have changed.

idunno, I remember when everything cool I found on the internet was on a .edu domain, because that's almost all there was. But yeah, capitalist tech has always been part of the establishment. A lot of the good stuff comes from non-profit-related motivations, fortunately.

I wouldn't really call "cool stuff on the internet" the tech industry, as much as I'd love to claim it.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by account42 »

sofixa wrote: post #133
hobobaggins wrote: post #81

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But these names aren't resolvable (through compliant resolvers), while the transparency links would be.

They aren't resolvable with the listed in the article DNS providers, which makes it easy to find the other ones such as Quad9.

Quad9 is based in Germany which isn't much better than France for this kind of thing. They have already been ordered to implement DNS-level censorship in other cases.
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