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French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

sofixa wrote: post #135
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One answers is that this case isn't actually a bad law. It's censoring DNS. That's a bad precedent. The technical capacity to do it shouldn't exist because otherwise it will be used for every other form of censorship, and deprive democratic countries of any moral or technical authority to object when authoritarian countries want to do it. It will also be ineffective, leading for calls to make it effective, but the…

> It's censoring DNS. That's a bad precedent France uses a sane legal system based on civil law, so precedents rarely matter. In this case the Sports Code says that piracy is bad and operators can be requested to block piracy websites if they're used and "harm" rights holders. That doesn't mean that tomorrow in a random case not related to sports piracy a judge can refer to that law and order censoring of other DNS e…

Precedents aren't just in courts. People see something being done and then they want to do it too. If the law requires this then people who want to build systems that make it impossible would be in violation, which deters those systems from being built for the people who really need them.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by t0bia_s »

Ayesh wrote: post #10

Hilarious how the article mentions the domain names at the end. It's like Google showing links of DMCA-striken lists, so you can easily find out the actual places to pirate.

Yes, censorship by establishment makes public curious. Often it is best PR of those sites.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

aniviacat wrote: post #144
immibis wrote: post #120

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There is actually no evidence this is the case, and there is evidence it is the opposite - that the less voters support something, the more likely it is to pass.

This claim appears blatantly false. If being unpopular makes a law more likely to pass, then surely the French government tars and feathers all French children every other week. No, they don't, since the voters would prevent that by voting for a different government.

Obviously the claim exists within the space of bills that somebody actually wants. The premise is that things major industries or politically connected plutocrats want get passed over the interests of the general public for all of the usual reasons, not that things nobody wants get passed without explanation.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by t0bia_s »

sofixa wrote: post #133
hobobaggins wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But these names aren't resolvable (through compliant resolvers), while the transparency links would be.

They aren't resolvable with the listed in the article DNS providers, which makes it easy to find the other ones such as Quad9.

9.9.9.9

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by mananaysiempre »

Ayesh wrote: post #10

Hilarious how the article mentions the domain names at the end. It's like Google showing links of DMCA-striken lists, so you can easily find out the actual places to pirate.

> It's like Google showing links of DMCA-striken lists

Used to be like that. Now they have renamed “Chilling Effects” to “Lumen Database” and require submitting an email address to view each individual complaint.

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Post by tentacleuno »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #38
Dalewyn wrote: post #21

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There's also the nuance that while SOPA/PIPA were bills being legislated for potential passage, France is citing laws already in effect. For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO.

> For better or worse, if you do business in you follow 's laws or GTFO. That does rather imply that the laws are worthless. Obviously there is going to be someone who doesn't do business in France and operates a public DNS server that doesn't censor anything. Regardless of that, I would challenge your premise. You can violate an unjust law and risk the consequences. And if you get the PR right, there may not even be…

The correct link for that Wikipedia page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple%E2%80%93FBI_encryption_d... :-)

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by charlieyu1 »

jsnell wrote: post #37
dmitrygr wrote: post #25

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They could fight and choose not to. They could ignore this and choose not to. They deserve our judgement for that

They did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.

Is a non-French company obligated to obey a French court order? I can probably name a few countries where most US companies won't enforce the court order from them

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by derekp7 »

OptionOfT wrote: post #57
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #48

I’ve always been curious why dns is a go-to for oppressing unwanted websites. Is it truly difficult to block at an IP level? There would be collateral damage in doing so, but it wouldn’t take long for most VPS providers to dump piracy sites if the alternate is their entire network block being dropped.

A good amount of these websites are proxied by Cloudflare, so you're connecting to CF and CF connects to the website. And many websites use CF, so if you were to block a CF IP, you'd block a whole bunch of websites.

In that case, what makes Cloudflare immune to court ordered blocks?
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