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French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by zrobotics »

0xcde4c3db wrote: post #8

I personally have zero interest in streaming soccer games, but the process involved here does leave me wondering just how resilient 1.1.1.1/9.9.9.9 (which I use with https-dns-proxy because I basically don't trust the business side of my local telco/cable monopolies as far as I can throw them) really are in practice. I'm starting to feel like someone should bring back ORSN and throw some (cryptocurrency-free, old-sch…

I mean, there are already issues with 1.1.1.1 where archive.is/.vn/etc sites don't work. I know this is due to that site's admin specifically blocking cloudflare, but it already happens. The real answer is to run your own recursive DNS resolver. It's not for the complete technical novice but it's the same amount of work as setting up pihole and requires the same amount of low-spec hardware. I don't think this is out of reach for anyone who is already using a non-default DNS, since with the reconfigured images available it really isn't too much of a lift.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by mkl »

jedberg wrote: post #29
steelbrain wrote: post #4

The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”. Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?

Probably because HN limits titles to 80 characters, so OP had to choose one to get under the limit.

No, it's editorialising. The original title "Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention" is 77 characters.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by aniviacat »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #47
jsnell wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.

Why should we not want this when the law is bad? The government should face pushback from all sides when attempting something odious.

It's a democratic country. The voters decide if the laws their government passes are bad or not.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by ls612 »

jsnell wrote: post #37
dmitrygr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could fight and choose not to. They could ignore this and choose not to. They deserve our judgement for that

They did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.

There's a really bad equilibrium where every country (or at least every country big enough to have BigTech workers in their country) figures out they can globally censor the internet by using the assets and people of those companies as leverage. Then we would have Americans having their internet censored by every foreign power except China and Russia, where BigTech have largely left.

And it would all be done under the color of local law.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by jsnell »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #47
jsnell wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.

Why should we not want this when the law is bad? The government should face pushback from all sides when attempting something odious.

One answers is that this case isn't actually a bad law. This appears to be blatant organized piracy. What's odious about copyright laws? This also appears to be pretty much the gold standard of due process. It's not like somebody submitting automated DMCA requests on videos with silent audio tracks or something. It's a court order for these specific domains, which would have been carefully curated and has been quite literally litigated.

The other answer is that you really don't want big corporations to be ignoring laws they don't like, because odds are pretty good that your list of bad laws doesn't match theirs. Countries have sovereignty. If a company doesn't want to obey those laws, they should not operate in that country. If the law really were bad, the way you'd actually fix this is by the democratic process. That's up to the voters, not foreign corporations.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by OptionOfT »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #48

I’ve always been curious why dns is a go-to for oppressing unwanted websites. Is it truly difficult to block at an IP level? There would be collateral damage in doing so, but it wouldn’t take long for most VPS providers to dump piracy sites if the alternate is their entire network block being dropped.

A good amount of these websites are proxied by Cloudflare, so you're connecting to CF and CF connects to the website.

And many websites use CF, so if you were to block a CF IP, you'd block a whole bunch of websites.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by jsnell »

ls612 wrote: post #55
jsnell wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did fight it in court. They lost. I'm surprised you're so keen on having big tech companies intentionally ignore court orders and just break the law. Like, it's obviously something none of us should want.

There's a really bad equilibrium where every country (or at least every country big enough to have BigTech workers in their country) figures out they can globally censor the internet by using the assets and people of those companies as leverage. Then we would have Americans having their internet censored by every foreign power except China and Russia, where BigTech have largely left. And it would all be done under th…

I see nothing in this article suggesting that the court order is for a global block, rather than a regional one. Do you have a source for that?

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by ls612 »

jsnell wrote: post #59
ls612 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a really bad equilibrium where every country (or at least every country big enough to have BigTech workers in their country) figures out they can globally censor the internet by using the assets and people of those companies as leverage. Then we would have Americans having their internet censored by every foreign power except China and Russia, where BigTech have largely left. And it would all be done under th…

I see nothing in this article suggesting that the court order is for a global block, rather than a regional one. Do you have a source for that?

Does Cloudflare operate different 1.1.1.1s for each country?
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