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French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by jhugo »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #119
thenthenthen wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google never left China, they literally just moved to a new building on the other side of the road (in Zhongguancun, Beijing). They even “left a couple of boxes there”[1]. [1] Blum, Andrew, Tubes: A Journey to the Center of the Internet. New York, Ecco, 2012. https://archive.org/details/unset0000unse_p9b6

You can't even install the play store in China... Google hasn't been accessible there since in 15 years. You can buy an iPhone there today, and Apple has agreements with China to hand over user data and has done so in the past.

> You can't even install the play store in China... Google hasn't been accessible there since in 15 years.

You and GP are both correct. Most Google services are not accessible in China but Google the company still has a significant presence there.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by Imagenuity »

steelbrain wrote: post #4

The title on the website is “Google, Cloudflare & Cisco Will Poison DNS to Stop Piracy Block Circumvention”. Curious why Cloudflare has been singled out in the submission title?

Google runs widely used public DNS server 8.8.8.8

Cloudflare runs widely used public DNS server 1.1.1.1

That's my guess why these two companies were singled out.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by sofixa »

hobobaggins wrote: post #81
Ayesh wrote: post #10

Hilarious how the article mentions the domain names at the end. It's like Google showing links of DMCA-striken lists, so you can easily find out the actual places to pirate.

But these names aren't resolvable (through compliant resolvers), while the transparency links would be.

They aren't resolvable with the listed in the article DNS providers, which makes it easy to find the other ones such as Quad9.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #108
darby_nine wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech has always been part of the establishment, funded by capital trying to solve capital's problems. The only part of tech that really deviates from this is the free software community, which has always been hostile to capital. The blackout day emerged from people, not the industry, and people have changed.

> funded by capital trying to solve capital's problems Is this parody? Should we start against the trade unions and German barbarians next? (The latter to avenge Varus and recapture the Eagles.)

Parody?

It's obvious, and common sense.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by sofixa »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #69
jsnell wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One answers is that this case isn't actually a bad law. This appears to be blatant organized piracy. What's odious about copyright laws? This also appears to be pretty much the gold standard of due process. It's not like somebody submitting automated DMCA requests on videos with silent audio tracks or something. It's a court order for these specific domains, which would have been carefully curated and has been quite…

> One answers is that this case isn't actually a bad law. It's censoring DNS. That's a bad precedent. The technical capacity to do it shouldn't exist because otherwise it will be used for every other form of censorship, and deprive democratic countries of any moral or technical authority to object when authoritarian countries want to do it. It will also be ineffective, leading for calls to make it effective, but the…

> It's censoring DNS. That's a bad precedent

France uses a sane legal system based on civil law, so precedents rarely matter. In this case the Sports Code says that piracy is bad and operators can be requested to block piracy websites if they're used and "harm" rights holders. That doesn't mean that tomorrow in a random case not related to sports piracy a judge can refer to that law and order censoring of other DNS entries.

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

applied_heat wrote: post #19
Ayesh wrote: post #10

Hilarious how the article mentions the domain names at the end. It's like Google showing links of DMCA-striken lists, so you can easily find out the actual places to pirate.

Will read the article now thank you

This kind of comment is best left on reddit to keep the signal-to-noise ratio on HN as high as possible.

Just hit that upvote button instead. :)

Re: French court orders Google, Cloudflare, Cisco to poison DNS to stop piracy

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Post by KiloCNC »

egberts1 wrote: post #138
egberts1 wrote: post #137

That's easy to circumvent. A VPS host running DNS resolver and point your boxes to it. You're welcome.

Unless France starts blocking DNS port 53/udp and 53/tcp and start whitelisting DNS servers ... :-/

This would be the point where DNS over HTTPS would save the day if it had more widespread adoption..
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