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Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by rootusrootus »

bowsamic wrote: post #90
afavour wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such is the state of the airline business/capitalism. There are basically only two manufacturers: Boeing and Airbus. The airlines place orders years in advance and if you cancel a Boeing order now you’re a) out of a lot of money and b) joining the back of the line with Airbus. The simple reality is that the airlines (and their shareholders) consider a) and b) to be greater risks than the safety record of Boeing plane…

Yeah, Airbus is extremely backed up with orders

So is Boeing.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by rootusrootus »

Sakos wrote: post #32
amarant wrote: post #25

It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?

Seems like you haven't seen the latest news. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/11/boeing-sa... New orders are significantly down. Old orders will rarely be cancelled even if possible simply because there's no alternative. Airbus's backlog is longer than Boeing's. And while currently Airbus's manufacturing rate is much higher currently, it won't make a difference if everybody switches to Airbus.

> New orders are significantly down.

For Airbus, too.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by rootusrootus »

mlcrypto wrote: post #164
dboreham wrote: post #115

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Statistically it is not. Most of the time travellers don't know if they're on an Airbus or Boeing aircraft and hardly ever figure out that it's a MAX.

Infinite loss multiplied by small chance is still infinite risk

Yes, we will all die. Every last one of us.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by denderson »

moffkalast wrote: post #74
Waterluvian wrote: post #50

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Eek… I’d never want to fly a plane that’s beneath me. I’d prefer it to be at the same altitude.

Well unless you're an air launched cruise missile operator.

#UnexpectedDrStrangelove ?

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by masklinn »

rootusrootus wrote: post #229
masklinn wrote: post #28

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Boeings are still flying, and Airbus has no availability. On the neos, they have more than a decade worth of orders, and the order book A350 is not much shorter.

Boeing has many years of backlog, too, this is really normal with airplane manufacturers. The airlines commit ahead, they wouldn't actually want to take delivery today anyway, so the manufacturing system is designed to work this way.

Boeing does not have a decade of backlog.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by Sakos »

rootusrootus wrote: post #232
Sakos wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like you haven't seen the latest news. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/11/boeing-sa... New orders are significantly down. Old orders will rarely be cancelled even if possible simply because there's no alternative. Airbus's backlog is longer than Boeing's. And while currently Airbus's manufacturing rate is much higher currently, it won't make a difference if everybody switches to Airbus.

> New orders are significantly down. For Airbus, too.

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not aware of any significant drop in new orders for Airbus. Do you have a source?

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by namaria »

cwillu wrote: post #88
kcplate wrote: post #68

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Uh yes, they were being sarcastic. Once again…the humorless HN strikes. Sheesh.

If the joke was worth making, the joke was worth suffering the downvotes. Have some courage in your convictions, and most importantly: don't whine about it.

Is an unfunny joke worth making? Aren't downvotes people telling you they don't find the joke funny?

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Post by turrican »

brandall10 wrote: post #216
dylan604 wrote: post #156

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> like it hit a sudden pocket of turbulence at the apex of the turn I wonder if this could have been wind shear? Wind shear was deemed as the cause of the crash for Delta 191[0] on approach to DFW in the 1985. Lots of new equipment was installed after to detect wind shear. I wonder of MEX has that kind of equipment. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_Flight_191

Possibly, I don't think so. It happened right at the top of the bank and stopped as the plane began to ease out. There were no weather issues no other incidents of turbulence or jostling around. It seemed as if the plane was having problems banking at that angle.

Sounds quite a bit like wake turbulence. As planes move through the air, they leave air vortices called “wake” (much like a boat does in water). This effect is worse when airplanes are slow, like when they’re coming into land. Pilots try to avoid each other’s wake, but it’s invisible and sometimes you do hit it if the controller vectors you close behind another aircraft.

It produces a strong rolling motion and can even flip small airplanes.

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