You can buy dutch rolls in a lot of spaces in the Netherlands called coffeshop.
Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
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Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#32It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?
Seems like you haven't seen the latest news.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/11/boeing-sa...
New orders are significantly down.
Old orders will rarely be cancelled even if possible simply because there's no alternative. Airbus's backlog is longer than Boeing's. And while currently Airbus's manufacturing rate is much higher currently, it won't make a difference if everybody switches to Airbus.
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#33It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?
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Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#34It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?
"Boeing sales tumble as company gets no orders for 737 MAX for 2nd straight month" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40649943
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's a video demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/Zmjam1evDD4
I guess it’s worse than it looks? The video was kind of a dramatic let down to be honest. I preferred the mystery.
Yeah, could this be caused by turbulence? Winds?
Looking at the video, now i'm not sure I haven't been through some dutch rolls also.
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#36"Dutch Roll is a coupled out of phase movement of the aircraft as result of weakened directional stability (provided by the vertical tail and rudder), in which the aircraft oscillates around its vertical as well as longitudinal axis (coupled yaw and roll)." That sounds pretty scary. I wonder why it wasn't bigger news when it happened last month?
It may have gotten lost in a sea of Boeing bad news.
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#37Four minute video illustrating a dutch roll:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gt-IcCBiQ4
Longer 15m video from Mentour Pilot with some more details:
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#38It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?
Institutional momentum at airlines is huge. Southwest flies only boeing to minimize training requirements and keep pilots interchangeable. Now they are appreciating the riskiness of that strategy in hindsight.
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#39It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?
1) Even if the max had hiccups, plenty of them, it is an absolutely safe airplane by any measure.
2) Your fleet may mostly be formed by Boeing airplanes, having all of those move to Airbus airplanes is also a safety issue. Pilots have to re-learn and even forget things they accrued and evolved to react instantly for decades. At some point you need to weigh the odds of increasing human error vs relatively safer Airbus alternative
3) Maintenance and logistics conversion would be a huge pain
4) If you order an A320 today, you're gonna get it no sooner than in a decade. Not taking your ordered Max is really not a smart idea.
5) Boeing hasn't received a single new order for max airplanes in two months
Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll
#40It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?
No fan of Boeing. But where are you going to go to buy something else? There is only Airbus. There isn't a huge competitive market, it is just 2 companies left standing. Perhaps a good argument for fighting monopolies?
And, while Boeing looks bad, when sales go down, corporations adapt.
The pesky customers want "Safety", and we aren't selling "Safety", got to get some of this "Safety". Guess we better do some re-orgs, some focus groups, some training to make sure everyone knows "Safety" is important. Maybe throw in some training on "Quality".
They'll adapt.