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Assembly line doesn't make you 'automaker'.
This article and analysis is obviously comparing countries to their EV build output. What's your complaint - that Tesla should be a country?
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> Nuclear energy has pretty much nothing to do with nuclear weapons That's not true. For example Japan has Plutonium for several thousand nuclear weapons, where the Plutonium comes from reprocessing of fuel of Nuclear Power Plants. https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-10/features/japans-misg... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_latency Take Iran, which was hiding their nuclear weapons program behind a nuclear ene…
> where the Plutonium comes from reprocessing of fuel of Nuclear Power Plants. With this logic, the Raspberry Pi foundation is involved in producing F35 fighter jets, because there is electronics in the F35. > Take Iran, which was hiding their nuclear weapons program behind a nuclear energy program As you say, there was a "weapons program" hidden there. It's not like a power plant reactor gives you the weapon technol…
You should be able to see for yourself that your argumentation is nonsense.
For Japan the accusation is that the Government by purpose produced this stockpile of Plutonium, also by creating a certain nuclear industry, to be in a position to create nuclear weapons, if they see it necessary. That's a political decision and the nuclear industry around nuclear powerplants is an enabler, created by the government via its energy and defense policies.
> It's not like a power plant reactor gives you the weapon technology magically.
They designed it.
Remember, you claimed that there is no connection. I reality, government set up nuclear industry such that it supports their weapon programs.
> All year? What happens when there is no wind and no sun?
You can find out. There is enough information about this topic.
A renewable energy landscape is more than just "wind & sun". An electricity grid is also more than a nuclear fleet in France, which for weeks&months had poor availability.
"In France, state-controlled EDF's nuclear output dropped by 30% in 2022, to 279 TWh, as more than half of its 56 reactors were taken offline for repairs which had been delayed due to the Covid-19 pandemic"
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But then we would have to deal with expensive and problematic nuclear. It's much more efficient to scale renewable energy, then deploy old technology like current nuclear powerplants, which are extremely costly with lots of unsolved problems. If you look at the countries which deploy nuclear, they have/use mostly government run industries. That's not our goal. Germany also has no nuclear weapons, where other countrie…
The cost of nuclear energy is reflected in the electricity bill, not the initial investment. If you look at countries like France or Finland, the cost is very low. And in Finland, it's not "old technology." In contrast, German bills, heavily reliant on renewables, are among the highest and most unstable in Europe. > "unsolved problems" Do you mean the intermittency of renewables? > they have/use mostly government run…
It is OWNED by the French state. The French government rescued its nuclear industry from bankruptcy.
> It's amusing how your arguments against nuclear are purely ideological and filled with intellectual dishonesty.
Personal attacks don't support your point of view.
I'm out.
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It isn't just prices alone. New ICE cars have also gone up in price a lot. And EVs are marketed more towards the high end because mostly rich Europeans have a single family home with a charger at home where the EVs slot in. Most ICE car owners don't have chargers at home or in the vicinity meaning mostly the rich can quickly dump their ICES and replace them with an EV without loosing UX. EU car manufacturers are just…
I live in the countryside and single family home are mostly not rich people but very middle class. EV would be perfect for them but they are far too expensive. No it’s really like manufacturers deliberately price EV to make up for the energy economy so it doesn’t cannibalize their ICE offering they spent billions developing.
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> where the Plutonium comes from reprocessing of fuel of Nuclear Power Plants. With this logic, the Raspberry Pi foundation is involved in producing F35 fighter jets, because there is electronics in the F35. > Take Iran, which was hiding their nuclear weapons program behind a nuclear energy program As you say, there was a "weapons program" hidden there. It's not like a power plant reactor gives you the weapon technol…
> With this logic, the Raspberry Pi foundation is involved in producing F35 fighter jets, because there is electronics in the F35. You should be able to see for yourself that your argumentation is nonsense. For Japan the accusation is that the Government by purpose produced this stockpile of Plutonium, also by creating a certain nuclear industry, to be in a position to create nuclear weapons, if they see it necessary…
I think the same about yours. Any country can pretend to do research in nuclear energy and secretly work on nuclear weapons. Or just secretly do it. It's not like they need to make energy for that.
> You can find out. There is enough information about this topic.
It was a rhetorical question. I know Germany relies on fossil fuel to compensate and imports when needed (e.g. from France...). You can see it real time, there are interactive maps.
> A renewable energy landscape is more than just "wind & sun".
How do you compensate the intermittent production of wind and sun with renewables, then? And if you have another renewable that compensates entirely, why don't you just do that instead of wind and sun?
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Good for you. But I'm talking about Europe, not the US. And most don't have (and can't afford) Teslas here. Maybe in Norway and Switzerland, but not all Europe is like that. A lot of non-supercharger infra here is non-existent or slow charging meaning long distance trips are gonna be much longer and less predictable, hence why those who rent cars for long distance trips never rent EVs. >and the charging network isn't…
That’s fair.
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> where the Plutonium comes from reprocessing of fuel of Nuclear Power Plants. With this logic, the Raspberry Pi foundation is involved in producing F35 fighter jets, because there is electronics in the F35. > Take Iran, which was hiding their nuclear weapons program behind a nuclear energy program As you say, there was a "weapons program" hidden there. It's not like a power plant reactor gives you the weapon technol…
> With this logic, the Raspberry Pi foundation is involved in producing F35 fighter jets, because there is electronics in the F35. You should be able to see for yourself that your argumentation is nonsense. For Japan the accusation is that the Government by purpose produced this stockpile of Plutonium, also by creating a certain nuclear industry, to be in a position to create nuclear weapons, if they see it necessary…
I don't understand the criticism of nuclear power. A pandemic broke out, and with it, there was a shortage of labor to allow for the scheduled maintenance of the reactors.
What fault does nuclear power have in this? If solar panels are not consistently maintained and cleaned, their production also decreases.
Anyway, I would like to point out that France is currently the largest exporter of electricity in the world. I wonder why, considering that according to your view, nuclear power creates so many problems. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/net-electricity-imports
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The cost of nuclear energy is reflected in the electricity bill, not the initial investment. If you look at countries like France or Finland, the cost is very low. And in Finland, it's not "old technology." In contrast, German bills, heavily reliant on renewables, are among the highest and most unstable in Europe. > "unsolved problems" Do you mean the intermittency of renewables? > they have/use mostly government run…
> I don't think in French nuclear is mostly used for gov industries. It is OWNED by the French state. The French government rescued its nuclear industry from bankruptcy. > It's amusing how your arguments against nuclear are purely ideological and filled with intellectual dishonesty. Personal attacks don't support your point of view. I'm out.
Okok, your statement wasn't clear to me. Sure, it's definitely true what you say, but what exactly is your point? What are you trying to prove or say with "French nuclear is mostly used for gov industries"?
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> I don't think in French nuclear is mostly used for gov industries. It is OWNED by the French state. The French government rescued its nuclear industry from bankruptcy. > It's amusing how your arguments against nuclear are purely ideological and filled with intellectual dishonesty. Personal attacks don't support your point of view. I'm out.
> It is OWNED by the French state. The French government rescued its nuclear industry from bankruptcy. Okok, your statement wasn't clear to me. Sure, it's definitely true what you say, but what exactly is your point? What are you trying to prove or say with "French nuclear is mostly used for gov industries"?
The nuclear industry in these countries is mostly owned and fullydirected by the government: electricity providers and companies selling&building nuclear powerplants.
Nuclear power is especially strong when central governments direct & pay for the the industry, which is far from a free market. China: authoritarian dictatorship with centrally planned economy. France: government owned. Japan: government directed, TEPCO rescued by the government.
Nuclear: big government. Centralized. State-owned monopolies.
Renewable energy: lots of energy producers, strong local ownership, distributed industry, distributed grid, markets for energy, ...
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> It is OWNED by the French state. The French government rescued its nuclear industry from bankruptcy. Okok, your statement wasn't clear to me. Sure, it's definitely true what you say, but what exactly is your point? What are you trying to prove or say with "French nuclear is mostly used for gov industries"?
I said "If you look at the countries which deploy nuclear, they have/use mostly government run industries." The nuclear industry in these countries is mostly owned and fullydirected by the government: electricity providers and companies selling&building nuclear powerplants. Nuclear power is especially strong when central governments direct & pay for the the industry, which is far from a free market. China: authoritar…
Firstly, the notion that the nuclear industry is predominantly government-owned and directed is somewhat outdated. While it's true that historically, many countries relied on state-run entities for nuclear power, the landscape is changing. Countries like the United States have a mix of private and public involvement in their nuclear sectors, with significant contributions from private companies.
Secondly, the argument that renewable energy operates within a "free market" is misleading. Renewable energy industries, especially solar and wind, receive substantial government subsidies globally. In 2021 alone, global renewable energy subsidies exceeded $120 billion, highlighting that renewables are not thriving purely on market dynamics. Moreover, the renewable sector is heavily influenced by government policies, incentives, and international competition, particularly from countries like China, which dominates the solar panel market through state-supported enterprises.
The claim that renewables foster "local ownership" and "distributed industry" oversimplifies the reality. While small-scale renewable projects do exist, the production of critical components, such as solar panels and wind turbines, is concentrated in the hands of a few major players, often backed by significant government support. This centralization can lead to market distortions and dependencies, similar to those seen in the nuclear sector.
Lastly, suggesting that support for nuclear power equates to endorsing "big government" overlooks the complexity of energy policy. Effective energy infrastructure, whether nuclear or renewable, requires substantial investment and regulation to ensure safety, reliability, and sustainability. Both sectors depend on a combination of public and private investment and face significant challenges that require coordinated efforts beyond simplistic free-market solutions.
In summary, both nuclear and renewable energy sectors involve significant government intervention and investment. The debate should focus on how best to balance these investments to achieve a sustainable and reliable energy future, rather than framing it as a binary choice between free markets and government control.
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