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Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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As per usual, executive platitudes around "security first" don't matter. If you pay and promote people for features, and don't reward security culture, people are not dumb: they and the management layers will optimize for that. I don't know how to design incentives to solve for this, but this is always going to be the way it is.

Managers are already held accountable for their teams when they underperform. The same should also apply for their security blunders.

> Managers are already held accountable for their teams when they underperform. The same should also apply for their security blunders.

...years and years later

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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So...Golden SAML isn't a vulnerability, as the CyberArk article quoted in the post reiterates, it's a type of attack that requires completely comprising the box before using. Unless I am misunderstanding something, I don't see any particular flaw, per se. As Microsoft (mocked in the article) would say, it's not crossing a security boundary. SSO will ALWAYS have this particular tradeoff. If your SSO infrastructure is…

> If your SSO infrastructure is compromised, everything that uses it is at risk of being compromised.

Really? Can you not think of any approach that gives SSO and accountability?

I think there are

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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The misaligned incentives between security and profit, especially in public companies, is not really a fixable problem without a massive cultural shift. I'm not sure at this point what could even trigger one. I've always dabbled in cybersecurity, taking on the hat in various roles over the years but have refused to go full time into it due to what I have personally seen in the industry - an overwhelming focus on comp…

> an overwhelming focus on compliance rather than actual good security practices I'm an application security engineer. I find that it depends widely on the company. You're right that compliance is purely just a checklist and does and doesn't actually do much for security. At best, it slows down a determined internal attacker. ie, a developer can't install a back door since code reviews are enforced by SCM before merg…

> The pentester used Burp Suite...

We run an SaaS and we get a ton of these. Most of these are absolutely inane and complete waste of our time having to look through their poorly written email begging for 50/100 USD payouts.

We pejoratively refer to them as "Burp Babies", the equivalent of "script kiddies".

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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The solution is complete zero trust and distrusting the network in organizations. You should treat the internal network as external -- hostile. Google does this. They were the first ones to widely adopt zero trust with BeyondCorp and there has not been a Google internal organizational breach since Aurora (which made them adopt BeyondCorp, what they call zero trust). You have completely managed endpoints, strong harde…

Google makes zero-trust work by having a highly "centralized" or "uniform" tech stack all the way from tooling, to hosting, to infra. So everything defaults to zero-trust and it's not something you would need to think about setting up. Most big organizations have built up their internal/external tech over decades, with large parts of it being essentially "mothballed", and high degree of heterogeneity stemming from te…

> Shifting to zero-trust requires a lot of migration work across all of this, "training" ie figuring out how to get stubborn IT people to buy in to the new way of doing things[...]

You're right, most times organizations need a fire lit underneath them to change, for Google, it probably was the NSA annotation "SSL added and removed here :^)" on a slide showing Google's architecture from the Snowden leaks.

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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The misaligned incentives between security and profit, especially in public companies, is not really a fixable problem without a massive cultural shift. I'm not sure at this point what could even trigger one. I've always dabbled in cybersecurity, taking on the hat in various roles over the years but have refused to go full time into it due to what I have personally seen in the industry - an overwhelming focus on comp…

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Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Management that knowingly chooses to ignore a major issue should be charged with criminal negligence. The creation of the bug is a common and difficult to avoid mistake. But once it has been found, choosing not to change it despite being warned if the consequences makes you responsible for those consequences.

So if send an email "Fix all your bugs or else bad stuff will happen", and if they don't fix all their bugs now I can put their devs in jail ?

Don't be obtuse. That is obviously not a genuine bug/vuln disclosure.

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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The solution is complete zero trust and distrusting the network in organizations. You should treat the internal network as external -- hostile. Google does this. They were the first ones to widely adopt zero trust with BeyondCorp and there has not been a Google internal organizational breach since Aurora (which made them adopt BeyondCorp, what they call zero trust). You have completely managed endpoints, strong harde…

"The solution"

Lost me there after two words! There is never a THE solution ... ever. As any engineer will tell you: "best efforts and here is why ..."

Zero trust is a philosophy and quite a good one in my opinion but it isn't a solution.

I suggest you stop thinking in terms of (absolute) solutions and perhaps think in terms of philosophies and good practices.

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

knowingly? yes.

What standard do you suggest to prove intent?

How about the same as for fraud, manslaughter, conspiracy... But that's the judiciary's problem anyway. People who campaign for this higher accountability argue that it's such a drastic change from fines that it will change company cultures overnight.

Re: Microsoft Chose Profit over Security, Whistleblower Says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google makes zero-trust work by having a highly "centralized" or "uniform" tech stack all the way from tooling, to hosting, to infra. So everything defaults to zero-trust and it's not something you would need to think about setting up. Most big organizations have built up their internal/external tech over decades, with large parts of it being essentially "mothballed", and high degree of heterogeneity stemming from te…

> Shifting to zero-trust requires a lot of migration work across all of this, "training" ie figuring out how to get stubborn IT people to buy in to the new way of doing things[...] You're right, most times organizations need a fire lit underneath them to change, for Google, it probably was the NSA annotation "SSL added and removed here :^)" on a slide showing Google's architecture from the Snowden leaks.

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