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Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by VBprogrammer »

aaomidi wrote: post #60
Rinzler89 wrote: post #36

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It's not really surprising. EVs (both foreign and domestic) haven't caught up in price and range as fast as expected since the proposal was originally made, for EVs to be a drop-in replacement for ICE cars the voting population can afford and drives to work everyday and on vacation in the south of Europe every summer. And neither is the EV charging infrastructure already there to support the same use cases. And since…

Is range seriously a problem for someone in Europe? US I kinda get it, superchargers help but they’re not perfect, but in europe?

I wouldn't say range is really a problem outside of a few groups - people who tow horses or caravans, people who use their car routinely for long journeys.

The challenge, certainly in the UK, is that only half the population has the potential to charge their car "off-street" and the roll out of on street charging is slow and the costs mean it could cost more than conventional car - which given it's also more expensive makes it a challenge to justify.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by TheRoque »

lispm wrote: post #68
TheRoque wrote: post #64

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It's great to shift on renewable energy, but the end goal is to reduce greenhouse gazes, and mostly Co2. Regarding this, they are still doing really bad [1], compared to countries like France who kept nuclear plants. I think that shutting down their nuclear plants and shifting on coal is a weird move. In the end, they couldn't prove that shifting to renewables was efficient. They also still buy some nuclear power to…

The goal is to use the technology which brings us world-wide fastest and cheapest forward. That's not nuclear, which stagnates mostly in building&deployment and is getting more expensive quickly.

"forward" doesn't mean anything, please specify ? But I'll complete for you, by "forward" you meant producing energy free of greenhouse gases (and ideally pollution), all-year round, and all-day round, and unless there are breakthrough in electricity storage, that's not solar, not wind power either.

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Post by luoc »

thelastgallon wrote: post #63

Germany is weird. They talk a lot about green, but sabotage and protest against Tesla factory, because 'reasons'. While being perfectly ok with Coal strip mining. The mine is on the site of the ancient Hambach Forest, which was purchased by RWE in 1978. The company then cut most of the forest down and cleared it to mine. Only 10% of the forest area remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://w…

Turns out more than one opinion exist here ;)

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by throwaway63467 »

thelastgallon wrote: post #63

Germany is weird. They talk a lot about green, but sabotage and protest against Tesla factory, because 'reasons'. While being perfectly ok with Coal strip mining. The mine is on the site of the ancient Hambach Forest, which was purchased by RWE in 1978. The company then cut most of the forest down and cleared it to mine. Only 10% of the forest area remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://w…

Perfectly ok? The protests against cutting down the Hambach forest were among the fiercest environmental protests in German history, activists camped out in the forest for years and it took hundreds of policemen to resolve that situation, one person died in an accident and the media covered this for many months.

And to be frank electric cars don’t solve the climate crisis, right now they’re little more than expensive toys for the affluent, it’s cool to drive around in a Tesla but don’t believe you save the planet doing that.

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Post by lispm »

somedude895 wrote: post #29
lispm wrote: post #14

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> Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech Like renewable energy? 1st quarter 2024: 58,4% electricity from renewable energy. Up from 48.5% last year.

This is what happens when you shut down nuclear (which is carbon-neutral by the way), and start importing more. Total energy usage in Germany is down which is terrible news for your economy. The narrative that German energy policy under the current government has been anything but a failure is ridiculous, but some people just love to believe any garbage that comes out of Habeck's mouth.

Saving energy has been long a goal. More efficient technologies are being deployed all the time.

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Post by IsTom »

thelastgallon wrote: post #63

Germany is weird. They talk a lot about green, but sabotage and protest against Tesla factory, because 'reasons'. While being perfectly ok with Coal strip mining. The mine is on the site of the ancient Hambach Forest, which was purchased by RWE in 1978. The company then cut most of the forest down and cleared it to mine. Only 10% of the forest area remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambach_surface_mine https://w…

> While being perfectly ok with Coal strip mining.

There were protests against coal mine expansions as well.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by madspindel »

hef19898 wrote: post #61
madspindel wrote: post #57

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Well, stop importing from Sweden then. And let us deal with our own preferred solutions.

Tell that you uave no idea how electricity grids work and why a connected one across a whole region is better than isolated ones without tellong you know shit about that topic...

It's better for Germany since the Swedish power production is cleaner and cheaper. The demand from Germany makes it more expensive for Swedish customers.

I guess it's fine that they want to import but don't block nuclear in Sweden then.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by lispm »

Herz wrote: post #34
lispm wrote: post #25

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23% coal, 28.2% less than last year. Renewable energy is hugely increasing world wide.

It would be even less and even faster decline of coal with nuclear But for Germany the priorities were other than decarbonization.

But then we would have to deal with expensive and problematic nuclear. It's much more efficient to scale renewable energy, then deploy old technology like current nuclear powerplants, which are extremely costly with lots of unsolved problems. If you look at the countries which deploy nuclear, they have/use mostly government run industries. That's not our goal. Germany also has no nuclear weapons, where other countries use their nuclear industry to have that option.

Re: Germany is No 1 in Europe for EV production, No 2 in the world

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Post by Moldoteck »

leononame wrote: post #2

It's not too surprising. Yes, Germany is slow to adapt to new tech, but they are a car manufacturing powerhouse and are the biggest country in Europe. The whole country is in an everlasting debate about its dependency on car manufacturing, and cars are _very_ important. It would be surprising if they weren't no 1 producer (and probably consumer) in Europe.

fyi the biggest country in europe is afaik ukraine, your point holds if we talk about eu in europe to ignore france's external territories
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