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Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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"Dutch Roll is a coupled out of phase movement of the aircraft as result of weakened directional stability (provided by the vertical tail and rudder), in which the aircraft oscillates around its vertical as well as longitudinal axis (coupled yaw and roll)." That sounds pretty scary. I wonder why it wasn't bigger news when it happened last month?

It can torn off the engines from the main body structure: https://asn.flightsafety.org/asndb/333926

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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post #12

For anyone else (besides me, being Dutch) wondering about the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll?useskin=vector#Name TL;DR: it's from ice skating where there's a similar move. But no idea why it's called that in ice skating.

Ice skating... Interesting... My guess was it having to do with ships rocking side to side.

Maar waarom een schaatsterm?

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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Years ago, my father in law ( a heavy jet mechanic) got sent to China for two months as part of a team to diagnose and fix a recurring dutch roll complaint on a particular airframe. This was for a A300-series flown by a large freight carrier.

The local mechanics couldn’t figure it out, so this team was assembled from the mechanics at headquarters to fix the plane.

They inspected the plane and found no damage. They had the pilots make multiple test flights - they could not reproduce the problem. The pilots were adamant that the plane was broken. Engineers from Airbus ended up flying out to assist. They couldn’t identify any problems.

After a few months of effort and a lot of very expensive dart throwing and parts swapping, they gave up. As far as anyone could tell, there was never anything wrong with the plane, and based on comments overheard from the pilots, they simply did not like this particular plane. It had been pulled from a boneyard and recertified, and they considered flying it beneath them.

FIL did come home with some cuban cigars and really high quality counterfeit Fluke multimeters he got from the local market, though.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes.

Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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post #20

"Dutch Roll is a coupled out of phase movement of the aircraft as result of weakened directional stability (provided by the vertical tail and rudder), in which the aircraft oscillates around its vertical as well as longitudinal axis (coupled yaw and roll)." That sounds pretty scary. I wonder why it wasn't bigger news when it happened last month?

Here's a video demonstrating it: https://youtu.be/Zmjam1evDD4

I guess it’s worse than it looks? The video was kind of a dramatic let down to be honest. I preferred the mystery.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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post #25

It kinda bothers me that airlines are still placing orders for new Boeing airplanes. Taking delivery of old orders is one thing, since they can't really back out of those, but placing new orders implies that some level of trust remains for this company, and I just don't see how that makes any sense at all?

Boeings are still flying, and Airbus has no availability. On the neos, they have more than a decade worth of orders, and the order book A350 is not much shorter.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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"Dutch Roll is a coupled out of phase movement of the aircraft as result of weakened directional stability (provided by the vertical tail and rudder), in which the aircraft oscillates around its vertical as well as longitudinal axis (coupled yaw and roll)." That sounds pretty scary. I wonder why it wasn't bigger news when it happened last month?

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I know the humorless HN is downvoting you but I gave you an upvote. Farts and fart jokes are always funny.

Re: Southwest Airlines Boeing 737-8 Max Experienced Dutch Roll

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post #18

Thing is this could just keep going. There’s no telling how many bad apples Boeing put out there

If it's a software issue, I'd think owners would be pretty clear on its status on each plane.

But for physical defects, yeah that's scary.

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