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Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by sudosysgen »

throwaway48476 wrote: post #44
tsudounym wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like they're in a worse spot because of how many Android competitors they have now. Back in 2010, they were the main 'alternative' to an iPhone, it was basically a duopoly for a few years - Apple vs. Samsung. Now there's the Google Pixel and a million Chinese phone makers so that Samsung doesn't stand out too much. They seem to be leveraging connections with carriers to push Samsung phones, which seems to keep…

The opposite is true. There are many fewer android OEM's now, at least in the US. LG, Sony, Motorola, HTC, etc all quit or were bought out.

Is it? On the other side of the equation, there are tons of new Chinese Android OEMs: Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo and friends, ZTE, Lenovo, Haier, Hisense. AFAIK all of these except ZTE and Huawei sell in the US, often under different brands.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by hagbard_c »

retskrad wrote: post #10

[flagged]

You check a lot of boxes in this comment:

- dissing on $platform because $expensive_platform is better

- implying that the only reason to use $platform is because you're to poor to afford $expensive_platform

- employing bulshytt [1] to characterise $platform as inferior to $expensive_platform

- attempting to pull in sexual attraction - or lack thereof - in regard to the use of $expensive_platform vs. $platform

- adding a gratuitous Musk diss to show your team colours just like football fans do for their teams

If I were to take this seriously I would refrain from using $expensive_platform given that its users seem to be insecure adolescents who have yet to find their place in society.

[1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bulshytt

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by jeffbee »

afavour wrote: post #17
joshstrange wrote: post #11

Going through those screenshots show just how stark the UI (not to mention UX) between iOS and Android was (is?). While I wouldn't relish going back to early iOS it still looks clean and polished vs the Android UI in the picture which is all sharp corners and UI that has no consistency or through-line.

Early Android UI was such a clusterfuck. Not surprising really given that it started as a BlackBerry-like UI then pivoted hard when the iPhone was launched. They also weren’t really in the position to finely curate their app collection so just about any shoddy UI got approved for the store. And then Google dedicated an entire version (3) to tablets only, leaving phones with a rapidly aging v2 UI for far longer than t…

Early Android was so bad it was impossible to believe that anyone had tried to use it before release. The first bug I filed against the Nexus S was that the camera app recorded video frames out of order. If literally anyone had tried the video function even once it would have been obvious. Total failure of dogfood testing.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by happyopossum »

cantSpellSober wrote: post #49
planb wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. copy&paste was released with iPhone OS 3.0 system wide ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3 )

I agree—to repeat: the feature did not work system-wide on release; only in Safari (iOS 1 being 2008). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3

Copy and paste did not exist at all on the iPhone in 2008 - not even in Safari.

[https://www.wired.com/2008/09/iphone-22-safar/] [https://x.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184]

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by criddell »

dsalfdslfdsa wrote: post #12
retskrad wrote: post #10

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Suit yourself. Personally, I judge anyone who gets a smartphone out in public.

So when you see me pull out my phone to snap a photo of some graffiti I like or use it to translate a sign I can't read or message my wife to let her know I'm running late, what are you thinking?

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by venatiodecorus »

sudosysgen wrote: post #51
throwaway48476 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite is true. There are many fewer android OEM's now, at least in the US. LG, Sony, Motorola, HTC, etc all quit or were bought out.

Is it? On the other side of the equation, there are tons of new Chinese Android OEMs: Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo and friends, ZTE, Lenovo, Haier, Hisense. AFAIK all of these except ZTE and Huawei sell in the US, often under different brands.

FWIW I've never actually seen anyone using any of these except ZTE (I'm in northeastern US).

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by venatiodecorus »

kodt wrote: post #38
seanalltogether wrote: post #5

It felt like it took a long time for the old guard to swing around to a touch-first interface after spending a decade or so building interfaces meant to be navigated with arrow keys below the screen.

I had the first Android phone, the HTC Dream, and it still had a flip out keyboard and a mini trackball for navigation. I know the attitude among many Android early adopters was that going full touch-screen was bad thing and should be avoided. Apple was right in the end though.

Early touch screens (capacitive?) were also not great. I remember iPhone's being pretty decent, although I don't think I had one until the 3, but my memory is a bit fuzzy from that far back! They could be frustrating to use, and often the usable area for interactivity was smaller than the actual screen, with issues detecting touch at the edges.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by amluto »

cantSpellSober wrote: post #34
amluto wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More introspection is needed to get this right. Apple has copy and paste. And they even had a sort of decent text selection at some point (iOS 16?), so their list surely still thinks that this capability is fully functional.

Not sure what you mean, iPhone 1 didn't have it because "[Ken Kocienda] didn’t have time to do it right." https://twitter.com/kocienda/status/1538536958258909184 Once it was added (2 phones later) it was such a big deal they had an ad for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKjESdHPGB0

I misread the comment to which I was replying. Oops.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by dsalfdslfdsa »

criddell wrote: post #56
dsalfdslfdsa wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suit yourself. Personally, I judge anyone who gets a smartphone out in public.

So when you see me pull out my phone to snap a photo of some graffiti I like or use it to translate a sign I can't read or message my wife to let her know I'm running late, what are you thinking?

I can google pictues of interesting graffiti any time I like. Taking a picture devalues the moment.

I'm not sure where you are that you can't read the signs (but have cell service), but you would be really out on a limb if that's the case and you don't have anyone to help you out. I'd honestly find it kind of pathetic to watch.

If it's so important to message your wife, then it's a better idea not do it while also trying to walk around in public.

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