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Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by planb »

cantSpellSober wrote: post #21
daghamm wrote: post #7

Every company should do this. In fact many do. This is called competitor analysis and is the fastest way to motivate employees and start improving things

Every company does do it. I'd like to see Apple's 2010 version for comparison. Something like: 1. Samsung has copy and paste

I don't want to be pedantic, but in fact point 13 in these slides says the opposite: Safari has copy&paste and the Samsung browser has not.

That's the interesting difference: While Android may have been "first" to copy&paste, Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by vel0city »

joshstrange wrote: post #11

Going through those screenshots show just how stark the UI (not to mention UX) between iOS and Android was (is?). While I wouldn't relish going back to early iOS it still looks clean and polished vs the Android UI in the picture which is all sharp corners and UI that has no consistency or through-line.

To be fair to early Android UI, this isn't regular Android UI. This is TouchWiz. Especially these early versions of TouchWiz, it was a huge mess of a UI. Almost all of the apps shown here weren't the stock Android apps, they were Samsung's versions. While early Android wasn't particularly great or well-polished, TouchWiz was even more of a mess.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by cantSpellSober »

planb wrote: post #41
cantSpellSober wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every company does do it. I'd like to see Apple's 2010 version for comparison. Something like: 1. Samsung has copy and paste

I don't want to be pedantic, but in fact point 13 in these slides says the opposite: Safari has copy&paste and the Samsung browser has not. That's the interesting difference: While Android may have been "first" to copy&paste, Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide.

> Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide

This is false. They released it in Safari in iOS 1, in a state where it did not work system-wide (across iOS).

No one used Samsung Browser, they just downloaded Chrome :) (which had it in 2009/Android Cupcake).

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by throwaway48476 »

tsudounym wrote: post #18
mabedan wrote: post #3

the screenshots from Samsung look like a high school project compared to the iPhone ones. Granted, Samsung is in a much better place now compared to back then.

I feel like they're in a worse spot because of how many Android competitors they have now. Back in 2010, they were the main 'alternative' to an iPhone, it was basically a duopoly for a few years - Apple vs. Samsung. Now there's the Google Pixel and a million Chinese phone makers so that Samsung doesn't stand out too much. They seem to be leveraging connections with carriers to push Samsung phones, which seems to keep…

The opposite is true. There are many fewer android OEM's now, at least in the US. LG, Sony, Motorola, HTC, etc all quit or were bought out.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by 1992spacemovie »

sofixa wrote: post #19
retskrad wrote: post #10

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> The Android platform has zero cultural footprint Who the fuck cares about "cultural footprint"? A phone is a tool, you get the best one for the job, not based on its cultural footprint or how attractive it makes you to superficial people. > it’s unfathomable why a middle to upper class person would buy an expensive Android I can answer that as a person in such a position. Android phones from reputable phone vendors…

> The fact that in 2024 it's still impossible to not have all your apps plastered on the home screen, at best in folders, is a mind boggling missing feature in iOS. Every time I see someone with an iPhone try to open an app, it takes them a scroll or two to find the correct screen, and then hesitation with the finger moving to find the correct app placement. How I open apps? I have the main ones on my home screen, and for everything else I double tap the home button, and type (the start of) the name. I've been doing this since I first got an Android with Nova, I sure as hell am not going to retrain a decade of muscle memory to rely on apps not changing their icon or having to remember its exact location on the home screen.

Obviously you are in rant-mode, but you are incorrect on this point. They've had this exact feature for years. I have tons of apps installed and only a few permanent icons on my home screen.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by virtualritz »

When I worked at a Nokia company, in 2014, someone sent me a copy of the board presentation on how the iPhone would fail and was not of any concern to Nokia's market dominance. Basically something someone had put together briefly after Apple presented their first phone.

The hybris displayed in that deck was as flabbergasting as it was hilarious. Not even in retrospect. It was all about how Nokia had better screen resolution, battery lifetime, CPU speed.

That the Apple UX was absolutely novel and superior was not considered at all.

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

#47

Post by planb »

cantSpellSober wrote: post #43
planb wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to be pedantic, but in fact point 13 in these slides says the opposite: Safari has copy&paste and the Samsung browser has not. That's the interesting difference: While Android may have been "first" to copy&paste, Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide.

> Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide This is false. They released it in Safari in iOS 1, in a state where it did not work system-wide (across iOS). No one used Samsung Browser, they just downloaded Chrome :) (which had it in 2009/Android Cupcake).

No. copy&paste was released with iPhone OS 3.0 system wide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3)

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

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Post by cantSpellSober »

planb wrote: post #47
cantSpellSober wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple would not have released the feature in a state where it does not work system wide This is false. They released it in Safari in iOS 1, in a state where it did not work system-wide (across iOS). No one used Samsung Browser, they just downloaded Chrome :) (which had it in 2009/Android Cupcake).

No. copy&paste was released with iPhone OS 3.0 system wide ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3 )

I agree—to repeat: the feature did not work system-wide on release; only in Safari (iOS 1 being 2008).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS_3

Re: Relative Evaluation Report on S1, iPhone (2010) [pdf]

#50

Post by flanbiscuit »

vel0city wrote: post #42
joshstrange wrote: post #11

Going through those screenshots show just how stark the UI (not to mention UX) between iOS and Android was (is?). While I wouldn't relish going back to early iOS it still looks clean and polished vs the Android UI in the picture which is all sharp corners and UI that has no consistency or through-line.

To be fair to early Android UI, this isn't regular Android UI. This is TouchWiz. Especially these early versions of TouchWiz, it was a huge mess of a UI. Almost all of the apps shown here weren't the stock Android apps, they were Samsung's versions. While early Android wasn't particularly great or well-polished, TouchWiz was even more of a mess.

To compare, look at page 7 "Basic Function _ Call"

And then also look at how the "Call" app/feature looked like in stock Android 1.0: https://youtu.be/av73uZIsgx8?si=PXL01b-tfGUPoimD&t=34

Very different from the TouchWiz version, and personally I like it more than the iOS version.

Here's a side by side comparison between iOS 2 and Android 1.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkC2GQCFv94

But I believe the Samsung S1 launched with Android 2.1 (Eclair)[1] and it got an official upgrade to Android 2.3 Gingerbread. I found this comparison video between stock android 2.3 and TouchWiz: https://youtu.be/iNaECPgyDss?si=xp_TaDXgsGPk36I1&t=72 It's not exact because you can already see the TouchWiz UI is a bit upgraded from what's in the PDF but it's close and you can see the evolution of android stock UI as well from the 1.0

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S_(2010_smartph...

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