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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ggamecrazy »

buildbuildbuild wrote: post #370
cedws wrote: post #323

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Circa 2013 Snowden says the intelligence agencies are wiretapping everything and monitoring everyone. In 2024 they don't have to wiretap anything. It's all being sent directly to the cloud. Their job has been done for them.

I hear you but caution against such oversimplification. Advanced Data Protection for iCloud is a thing. Our culture of cloud reliance is truly dangerous, but some vendors are at least trying to E2E data where possible. There are big risks to having a cloud digital footprint, yet clouds can be used “somewhat securely” with encryption depending on your personal threat model. Also, it’s not fair to compare clouds to wir…

Broadly, in the US, the Federal Wiretap Act of 1968 still applies. You're going to have to convince a judge otherwise.

Yes, perhaps broad dragnet type of might be scoffed down by some judges (outside of Patriot act FISA judges ofc)

I would warn you about the general E2E encryption and encrypted at rest claims. They are in-fact correct, but perhaps misleading? At some point, for most, the data does get decrypted server-side - cue the famous ":-)"

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by corps_and_code »

KaiserPro wrote: post #463
jspann wrote: post #129

I remain skeptical until I see it in action. On the one hand, Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. On the other, there was too much ambiguity around this announcement. What is the threshold for running something in the cloud? How is your personal model used across devices - does that mean it briefly moves to the cloud? How does its usage change across guest modes? Even the phrase "…

> Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. I mean they have great PR, but in terms of privacy, they extract more information from you than google does.

Can you explain what you mean with "extract more information from you than google" here?

Not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what sources or info you're using to make that claim.

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Post by theshrike79 »

vjulian wrote: post #472
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Could you please explain ‘lay bare organisational deficiencies’? I ask without skepticism.

Most companies don't have an unified platform they can build this on. And even if they seem to have superficially, the internal organisation is so splintered that it'll never happen.

Like what's going on inside Google, it's getting stupidly political and infighty. If someone tries to build a comprehensive LLM that touches on gmail, youtube, docs, sheets etc, it's going to be an uphill battle.

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Post by dag11 »

windowshopping wrote: post #499

The "Do you want me to use ChatGPT to do that?" aspect of it feels clunky as hell and very un-Apple. It's an old saw, but I have to say Steve Jobs would be rolling over in his grave at that. Honestly confused as to why that's there at all. Could they not come up with a sufficiently cohesive integration? Is that to say the rest ISN'T powered by ChatGPT? What's even the difference? From a user perspective that feels re…

What? The original Siri asked if the user wanted to continue their search on the web if it couldn't handle it locally. It was one of the last things from the Jobs era.

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Post by solarkraft »

SoftTalker wrote: post #288
davidbarker wrote: post #143

So, if I've got this correct there's: 1. On-device AI 2. AI using Apple's servers 3. AI using ChatGPT/OpenAI's services (and others in the future) Number 1 will pass to number 2 if it thinks it requires the extra processing power, but number 3 will only be invoked with explicit user permission. [Edit: As pointed out below, other providers will be coming eventually.]

I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

Apple has demonstrated to be relatively trustworthy about privacy while most AI companies have demonstrated the opposite, so I do see a significant difference.

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Post by wilg »

thuuuomas wrote: post #410
wilg wrote: post #335

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The new generative AI stuff has been barely implemented in most products, I don't know how you are experiencing it as pervasive and intrusive. Are you sure you're not just cynical from all flood of negative news stories about AI?

Are you sure you’re not optimistic just bcuz you stand to materially benefit from widespread adoption of chatgpt wrappers?

How would I materially benefit?

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Post by yencabulator »

thebruce87m wrote: post #509
yencabulator wrote: post #389

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> Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. Apple also has a long track record of "you're holding it wrong". I don't expect an amazing AI assistant out of them, I expect something that sometimes does what the user meant.

> Apple also has a long track record of "you're holding it wrong". And yet this was never said. Closest was this: > Just don't hold it that way. Or maybe this: > If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.

It's merely the instance that gave the name to the phenomena, not the only time it happened.

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Post by underlogic »

privacyking wrote: post #430
SoftTalker wrote: post #288

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I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

You do realise that already happens though? If you read apple's privacy policy they send a lot of what you do to their servers. Furthermore how private do you think Siri is? Their privacy policy explicitly states they send transcripts of what you say to them. That cannot be disabled.

That's the problem. These AI features may be "free" but is there an option to disable them system wide from rummaging through all your data and building a profile in order to be helpful? If not I won't update. And I mean one tickbox not a separate switch for every app and feature like siri has making it nearly impossible to disable
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