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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by verdverm » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:26 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #237

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

What do you mean into hands of platform owners? The point of having an Apple device is that you can run stuff on your device. The user is in control, not any platforms.

I take it as 3rd party alternatives will have a much harder time because they have to ask the user to share their data with them. Apple / Google already have that established relationship and 3rd parties will unlikely have the level of integration and simplicity that the platformers can deliver.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ethbr1 » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:26 PM UTC

Me1000 wrote: post #305

giancarlostoro wrote: post #286

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They prompt you before you go off-service, which makes the most sense.

They prompt you before they send your data to OpenAI, but it's clear that they prompt you before they send it to Apple's servers (maybe they do and I missed it?). And their promise that their servers are secure because it's all written in Swift is laughable. Edit: This line from the keynote is also suspect: "And just like your iPhone , independent experts can inspect the code that runs on the servers to verify this p…

They're promising to go farther than that.

>> Independent experts can inspect the code that runs on Apple silicon servers to verify privacy, and Private Cloud Compute cryptographically ensures that iPhone, iPad, and Mac do not talk to a server unless its software has been publicly logged for inspection. Apple Intelligence with Private Cloud Compute sets a new standard for privacy in AI, unlocking intelligence users can trust.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by cedws » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:27 PM UTC

whalee wrote: post #278

I am deeply disturbed they decided to go off-device for these services to work. This is a terrible precedent, seemingly inconsistent with their previous philosophies and likely a pressured decision. I don't care if they put the word "private" in there or have an endless amount of "expert" audits. What a shame.

Circa 2013 Snowden says the intelligence agencies are wiretapping everything and monitoring everyone.

In 2024 they don't have to wiretap anything. It's all being sent directly to the cloud. Their job has been done for them.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Tagbert » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:27 PM UTC

Spivak wrote: post #284

seydor wrote: post #256

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"It will automatically find a picture of your drivers license, read the number and add it to your text" This is scary stuff that should not be happening on anything that is closed-source and unaudited publicly. The pervasiveness of surveillance it enables is astounding.

What's different about this from the current implementation of searching photos for 'driver's license' and it pulling up pictures of your license? iOS has already been using "AI" image recognition for years on your photos.

Yes, this is an extension of that feature and a further integration with other enhancements. Apple has been doing “machine learning” for years for features like this. Now they are starting to bring those features together using other models like LLMs.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by GeekyBear » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:27 PM UTC

One thing that I found thoughtful was that images could only be generated as cartoons, sketches or animations. There was no option for a more photorealistic style.

That seems like an effective guardrail if you don't want people trying to pass off AI generated images as real.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by philwelch » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:28 PM UTC

paradite wrote: post #185

alberth wrote: post #124

Regarding OpenAI, has Apple in its history ever relied so heavily on a 3rd party for software features? (TSMC for hardware, but it seems very un-Apple to be so dependent upon someone else for software capabilities like OpenAI)

Does Microsoft Office in early days of Mac OS count? I guess not.

Microsoft Office was released five years after the Macintosh; what are you talking about?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by secfirstmd » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:29 PM UTC

xnx wrote: post #246

the_arun wrote: post #152

Wouldn't this reduce sales for Grammerly? If Apple packs the same feature for every application in iOS, it is kinda cool. Private Cloud - Isn't this what Amazon did with their tablet - Fire? What is the difference with Apple Private Cloud?

Grammarly is great example of the classic adage, "a feature, not a product".

TBH I'd say the same about Notion.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by Spivak » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:29 PM UTC

ayakang31415 wrote: post #277

tom1337 wrote: post #251

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Your data is being shared. But they've shown that it is being done in a way where only required data leaves the devices and there are some protections in place which try to minimize misuse of the data (the OS will only communicate with publicly signed versions of the server for example). The call to Apples "Private Compute Cloud" is intransparent to the user, ChatGPT calls need permission if I understood it correctly…

So it is not really private then.

I think it's a semantic thing at this point. If for you private can't mean plaintext living on a computer you don't control then no. If it's private in the way your iCloud photos are private then yes, and seemingly more so.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by warkdarrior » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:29 PM UTC

burningChrome wrote: post #303

Am I only person who's reached their threshold on companies forcing and shoving AI into every layer and corner of our lives? I don't even look at this stuff any more and see the upside to any of it. AI went from, "This is kinda cool and quaint." to "You NEED this in every single aspect of your life, whether you want it or not." AI has become so pervasive and intrusive, I stopped seeing the benefits of any of this.

They are not making it mandatory to use, just widely available through various interfaces. I see this closer to how spellcheck was rolled out in word processors, then editors, then browsers, etc.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by drpossum » Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 7:30 PM UTC

stnmtn wrote: post #309

SoftTalker wrote: post #288

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I see no real difference between 2 and 3. Once the data has left your device, it has left your device. There is no getting it back and you no longer have any control over it.

Certainly there's a difference. You are right that the jump is big between 1 and 2, but it is negligent to say that Apple, a company which strives for improved privacy and security, and ChatGPT have the same privacy practices.

No, that's not the point. The point is neither of those companies could have the same values you have for your data and you are then leaving the security of that data in the hands of someone else. Even Apple, who is better than most, values your privacy with a dollar value representing your custom and their reputation. That is not how I value (nor most people value) their data. The latter point applies to any company, regardless of intention because security breaches are a matter of when, not if, and if anyone says otherwise they should not be talking about security.