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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by bawolff »

stoorafa wrote: post #342
edanm wrote: post #333

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> Given that designation as a separate state, complaining that they can't vote in Israeli elections is like complaining that Canadians can't vote in US elections. I don’t remember the US ever occupying Canada. Not like that at all, and this is a clearly biased take even considering this line on its own.

> > Given that designation as a separate state, complaining that they can't vote in Israeli elections is like complaining that Canadians can't vote in US elections.

> I don’t remember the US ever occupying Canada.

I'm confused by this.

Normally under international law, it is illegal to allow people in occupied territory to vote or otherwise integrate them into civil government.

Israel has even gotten criticized by the UN human rights council for allowing elections in occupied territory (in golan heights, so not Palestinian occupied territory) http://undocs.org/A/HRC/37/L.18

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Post by StockHuman »

refulgentis wrote: post #279
SimbaOnSteroids wrote: post #229

The wild part about this, at least to me, is the wholesale incompetence demonstrated by Israel in this regard. If I couldn't google the talking points the bots make and see Israeli officials saying the same things, one would think these bots were Iranians acting with the intent to make Israel look bad.

It's a very interesting thing, it demonstrates something uncomfortable & scary to me as a goy Zionist, who hangs out in a private, predominantly Jewish, space. Note the biggest word in the cloud: UNRWA. All my confirmation bias was in one direction in October. The oddly dissonant and desperate messaging you'd see made things extremely difficult to maintain that, like, you have to be of a very specific mindset to see…

Out of idle curiosity, how did you arrive at Zionism from a non-jewish and leftist background? That has to be one of the rarest identities to simultaneously associate with.

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Post by burkaman »

samatman wrote: post #466
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #382

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I have a question of my own. Is there another country whose citizens are regularly elected to Congress? Dual citizens are not barred from holding office in Congress, and certainly there are more than a few English Americans and French Americans who hold citizens in both respective countries, but I have never heard of any winning office (or even running, for that matter).

I'm not aware of any dual citizens in Congress, could you provide some names please?

I could be wrong but I think it's an intentional misrepresentation of Israel's Law of Return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return), which allows any Jewish person to move to Israel and then become a citizen. It doesn't mean that every Jewish person anywhere in the world is automatically an Israeli citizen whether they want to be or not, but some people like to say that.

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Post by refulgentis »

Hikikomori wrote: post #489
endtime wrote: post #435

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Its bad because if Palestinians agree with the attack then they can be collectively punished, that's usually what comes after showing those polls. How many in Ireland supported IRA? Should UK have bombed them as well? Did Israel provide evidence that UNRWA supports Hamas? If so why did many countries reinstate aid to UNRWA? Israel may have left Gaza but they still control all their borders and airspace, even the Egyp…

Gently: I think there's a better way to phrase this, and you still have time to edit. It's strong but once you're at paragraph 4....once you're "saying propaganda war/colonialist/apartheid/you're in a propaganda bubble".........let me start again. We all have agency, and denying agency/telling someone they're in a bubble and not able to think for themselves, is one of the easiest ways for them to ignore your invitation for them to seize agency and think for themselves, via consuming the media* you recommend.

* they would say propaganda. It's a "you're rubber I'm glue, whatever you say..." type deal

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Post by jjtheblunt »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #487
CorrectingYou wrote: post #366

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I believe this was sarcarsm, since American politicians like to always pitch Israel as "America's Greatest Ally", thus making it a common target of sarcasm

> American politicians like to always pitch Israel as "America's Greatest Ally" In the Middle East. Which is sort of true. (Cairo, Riyadh and Doha aren’t as reliable.) Our traditional greatest ally is the U.K.

France and Poland from the revolutionary war, too, perhaps.

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Post by nikolajan »

Calvin02 wrote: post #440
MisterDizzy wrote: post #428

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How many problems in the US are due at least in part to the desire to support and promote democracy? We wouldn’t be involved / concerned with NATO unless we valued democracy and freedom for our partners, no?

I genuinely can't tell if this is meant as satire.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #505
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #487

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> American politicians like to always pitch Israel as "America's Greatest Ally" In the Middle East. Which is sort of true. (Cairo, Riyadh and Doha aren’t as reliable.) Our traditional greatest ally is the U.K.

France and Poland from the revolutionary war, too, perhaps.

> France and Poland from the revolutionary war

France is our oldest ally. But it (and Poland) are weaker and have been less reliably at our side than Britain has been.

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Post by joquarky »

Levitz wrote: post #471
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #407

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> But in general what strategy do you need? Take over, destroy the military infra and prevent smuggling. That's all that is needed. Gaza is thousand years back, it will never recover. It is not a threat anymore in any meaningful way. Impressively amoral post, but this is insanity. (1) Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is not self-sufficient. (2) There's something monstrous about keeping 2M people herded up in a cl…

>Whether or not those people are "threats" shall remain to be seen, but Israel is going to lose (is, already, losing) the hearts and minds of everybody on the planet under age 40 At this point, I think these are not the real power dynamics. I used to think Israel needed western support to exist. I don't do anymore. Now I believe that Israel needs any support, and they are perfectly fine with the idea of allying with…

> The US is reliant on Israel for presence in the middle east.

Given rapid adoption of alternative energy, how much effort will the US continue to invest in having a presence there?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

Matl wrote: post #437
legolas2412 wrote: post #424

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Oh please, this BS no longer works. "Yitzhak Rabin presented the Oslo II Interim Agreement to the Knesset on October 5, 1995, in his final speech to the legislative body. As he spoke, he boldly laid out what he believed to be the future of the Jewish state, boasting that “The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six-Day War.” He also describe…

>> You can't occupy people forever, or because one of their leaders rejected a deal once etc.

Turkey, which has for all intents and purposes occupied the (ancestral lands of) the Kurdish people for many years, would like to disagree.

Turkey, btw, which has occupied the ancestral lands of the Kurdish people, alongside the ancestral lands of the Ionian and Pontiac Greeks, Assyrian and Cappadokian Christians and Armenians, whom it has ethnically cleansed and genocided.

Sure you can occupy people forever. Or until you massacre every last one of them who won't leave (what is now) your land.

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