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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by syncmaster913n »

somenameforme wrote: post #122
marginalia_nu wrote: post #17

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I do think the economy is different. You've always been able to just hire a bunch of thugs to stage an event to shape the narrative, like old-school cold war style. That takes money and effort and a modicum of skill and the risk of being caught with your pants down is not negligible. Difference today is you can stoke the flames of public outrage with just a few people, without even setting foot in the country, while…

This seems reasonable, but it runs into a little problem. If you engage in political discussion anywhere on the internet, the first thing you'll find is that people, if they have formed an opinion, have exactly 0 interest in changing their mind. If you already hold a genuine and internally formed view on e.g. the Israel - Palestine conflict, then even if somebody sat you (or me) in front of 24/7 propaganda for the ot…

The purpose of propaganda, in its broadest definition, isn't to change minds. It is to leverage the existing contents of a mind in a way that makes you perform a certain action that is desired by the propagandist.

The belief that holding strong opinions protects against propaganda is dangerous. Strong opinions is where propaganda inserts its levers.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by justin66 »

fsckboy wrote: post #195
justin66 wrote: post #156

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> Free speech sometimes applies to things you don’t like. ...and in the United States we've defined down "free speech" to include "monetary donations."

somebody needs to pay for the billboard, or rent a hall to give a speech, or printing the flyers for your lost cat. How is money not essential to speech? Your proposal is that to support a cause, one should only be allowed to go outside and yell, because that's purer than the corrupting influence of money?

The nature of the strawman you've stood up to to represent my "proposal" (who knew I had a proposal?) suggests you're not even familiar with the history of the legal debate in the United States surrounding the 1st amendment and political donations. So I guess I would propose you read up on that.

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Post by edanm »

hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #313
myth_drannon wrote: post #297

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Israel is not a democracy, a huge percentage of the populate cannot vote and have no civil rights or any sort. Let’s please stop repeating this falsehood. It’s propaganda and the facts are clear.

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Post by caycep »

SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

https://www.cybercom.mil

how competent they actually are at this, who knows...

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Post by caycep »

greentxt wrote: post #303
jowea wrote: post #137

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cyber_warfare_forces A cursory look and it seems Germany and China were first to having a specific branch, but China dissolved theirs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_and_Information_Domain_S... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Str...

China's was disbanded like 1 wikipedia edit ago (46 days), if you believe that.

edit made by whatever APT hacking group du jour the PLA has in operation at the moment!

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

hehdhdjehehegwv wrote: post #313
myth_drannon wrote: post #297

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Israel is not a democracy, a huge percentage of the populate cannot vote and have no civil rights or any sort. Let’s please stop repeating this falsehood. It’s propaganda and the facts are clear.

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Post by rcpt »

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #219
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

It's crazy that AIPAC is not registered as a foreign agent. They funnel orders directly from Netanyahu to our politicians.

The trick is to have influence over the laws that define "foreign agent"

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Post by rcpt »

rendall wrote: post #326
rcpt wrote: post #317

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The algorithm is public https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1781013

That is a 14 year old HN post linking to a dead article, the comments on which say things like > This is not the 'hacker news' ranking algorithm, this is the ranking algorithm distributed with 'ARC', which is the basis for the HN algorithm, but definitely not equal to it. The biggest missing ingredients are flagged posts dropping off quicker and posts that contain no URL dropping off quicker but there are quite a few…

Was referring to pg's comment

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Post by dwater »

SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

My first semester of college in Fall of 1999, I wrote a paper about cyber warfare and the summary was that the superpowers were already doing it, and the only thing expected to change in the future was the resources that were online and susceptible would increase the scale of cyber war.
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