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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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davesque wrote: post #230
nextstep wrote: post #11

Also reported on by NY Times and posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40583068 but like most articles about Israeli hacking, US Big Tech involvement in the war, etc it was immediately flagged once it reached the front page. I don’t know how much of this is moderators removing posts, or if there is a pro-Israel brigade that is censoring HN’s front page.

I flagged it because it's really boring to see people go through the same predictable, tribal motions on a topic that's been covered to death by every media outlet.

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by wonderwonder »

throw310822 wrote: post #129
wonderwonder wrote: post #55

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"How many congressmen are dual citizens with Israeli citizenship" By this do you mean Jews? Should be prevent Jewish people from being allowed in congress? "AIPAC is allowed to exist" Should we prevent it from existing becuase it supports a Jewish state? You have no issue with the hundreds of other lobbying groups, just the jewish one.

It's not Jewish, it's pro-Israel (American Israel Public Affair Committee). Israel is a foreign country whose interests might be conflicting with those of the US. That's different, don't you think?

you going to ignore OP's mention of "Dual Citizens" clearly meaning Jews?

Odd that people are only concerned with AIPAC and not the other foreign PACS.

Wonder what the differentiating factor is?

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs...

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Post by nerdjon »

nsguy wrote: post #222
nerdjon wrote: post #202

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Trying to shut down a conversation with "Antisemitism" does not help your case. Being critical of their actions does not equal antisemitism. I fully understand why they are doing what they are doing, they would be stupid not too. That doesn't mean its ok and we should accept it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-m...

How do you propose we determine the fine line between the antisemitic "The Jews run the World" and "being critical of their actions"? What would e.g. be the piece of evidence that convinces you that we're dealing with antisemitism and not legitimate criticism? We shouldn't shut down conversations about Israel with antisemitism but we also shouldn't shut down conversations about antisemitism with "being critical of th…

> Why the focus on Israel here?

That is the what the article is about and there is something going in involving Israel.

I can't find the article I read a while ago with a graph showing their massive increase in spending, but according to a few articles AIPAC plans to spend $100Million this year.

As far as how to distinguish between them. I really don't think this should be complicated.

Criticizing a government is not criticizing a religion or people.

If I start to attack a religion or to attack a group of people based on those beliefs, then yeah that is antisemitism. Actually having and voicing a problem with jewish people.

A government is not that. We criticize our own government all the time and we are not anti-American (ok, admittedly some do try to make those claims but that's a different story).

yes I will also admit that this got complicated with the protests.

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Post by leoh »

nerdjon wrote: post #202
leoh wrote: post #198

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Trying to shut down a conversation with "Antisemitism" does not help your case. Being critical of their actions does not equal antisemitism. I fully understand why they are doing what they are doing, they would be stupid not too. That doesn't mean its ok and we should accept it. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-m...

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Post by croisillon »

neves wrote: post #136
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

Imagine if it were Russia or China

Well it can’t be China because China don’t kill their muslim popula… oooh…

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Post by wonderwonder »

tumsfestival wrote: post #223
wonderwonder wrote: post #56

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OP means Jews https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/defining-antisem... Lots of people going masks off now that is cool to be anti-semitic again but now we call it anti-zionist.

This post was brought to you by the IDF, remember if you don't agree with us you're as bad as Nazis.

so did OP not mean Jews or are we saying that anyone inferring that someone is anti semitic is working for the IDF?

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Post by betaby »

sva_ wrote: post #215
SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

Wasn't there something with the Canadian military fighting (what they called) misinformation on social media during the pandemic? Seems like it's already ongoing.

Canadian government was the source of misinformation on social media during the pandemic! Literal curfews were in place with propaganda machine saying how good idea it was.

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Post by runarberg »

dang wrote: post #183
runarberg wrote: post #30

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Your account has continued to use HN primarily for political battle after we asked you recently to stop: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40519369 (May 2024) If you keep this up we're going to have to ban you, for reasons explained on many past occasions: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... . Edit for anyone concerned: yes, this principle applies regardless of which side of any politic…

I’m sorry, I did not mean for this comment to be a political point, but rather an observation on how technology is used in mass atrocities. I was hoping to raise a point which I find interesting, which other may or may not agree with. I’ve gotten a couple of excellent replies here raising interesting counterpoints.

After posting this, and reading the replies, I’m actually less convinced about my original point. That is, I’ve learned something.

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Post by FireBeyond »

nemo44x wrote: post #154
diggan wrote: post #79

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> For a country which is meant to be one of the smartest out there Seems their propaganda works just fine if that's a commonly held belief :)

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I'm going to flag this as some weird eugenics BS.

"Average IQ of 83" ... so the average person is "borderline mentally disabled"?

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