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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by lenerdenator »

tacheiordache wrote: post #117
lenerdenator wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

General lack of countries with something even vaguely resembling representative government in the Middle East. Israel seems to only extend that sort of courtesy to a part of its citizenry, but when you remember that the "stable" countries in the region are all more-or-less absolute monarchies, it becomes obvious why the US is willing to at least work with Israel.

> the US is willing to at least work with Israel What do you mean at least work with Israel? The US is propping up Israel and without that ally Israel would probably implode. What’s messed up is how disrespectful Israel and some of their politicians are to US and their citizens. One thing I like about Israel is that they have a variety of oppinions and schools of thought. What we’re currently seeing is coming from th…

Israel is a postindustrial economy with a 600,000-man military reserve and (unofficially) a nuclear arsenal of the size and capability needed to destroy the society of any industrialized nation on Earth.

Almost all of the support and protection they've received from the US since October has been mainly to keep leverage on Netanyahu and to keep the war from spreading across the Middle East. For example, if Iran's missiles had bombarded Tel Aviv, you're probably going to see Israel bombarding Tehran, which could pull in Iraq, etc., and Israel has yet to lose a fight against its regional neighbors.

They don't need the US to prop them up economically or militarily, which should bring about a conversation about support come next budget, but I doubt it.

I too would like to see a more moderate group in charge.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by nsguy »

nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by Retric »

nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

> I don't understand how this much power over the US was ever deemed acceptable?

Free speech sometimes applies to things you don’t like. There’s pro and anti propaganda for just about any foreign interest. Some of it’s just more subtle such as recommendations on TikTok.

Ukraine had really obvious pro Ukraine requests for military aid and images of destruction, but quite a bit of pro Russia propaganda was more subtle aiming for people to stay out of it.

With Israel you see some really blatant pro Israel propaganda, but both sides also have a lot of more subtle stuff.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by pandeiro »

dang wrote: post #36
erellsworth wrote: post #18

Why is this flagged? What rule does it violate?

Posts on all sides of this topic get flagged quickly (by users), and mods turn off the flags on limited occasions—mostly when some significant new information arises and there's at least some chance of a substantive discussion about it. It's pretty important that most stories about this conflict and similar current affairs get flagged, because otherwise HN's front page would consist of little else, and that's not the…

Reasonable approach and I applaud your effort to maintain the site's purpose while also not ignoring these issues (that do have some relation to the tech industry, as we've seen). Thank you.

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Post by jajko »

WhackyIdeas wrote: post #89
diggan wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For a country which is meant to be one of the smartest out there Seems their propaganda works just fine if that's a commonly held belief :)

Maybe that is just the dregs of a time when they used to be half decent at propaganda ;) I take it back. They are smart with their hacking and that’s where it ends.

> They are smart with their hacking and that’s where it ends

So are often russians, or chinese. Maybe the concentration is on another level, they are a tiny country but highly educated for generations.

I'd bet if we properly educated and developed whole world we would discover Einsteins and Bolts in many many places out there. Ie elite athletes often come from places around where they could do sport, ie mountaineers but also many others.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by ajross »

nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by lenerdenator »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #107
lenerdenator wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

General lack of countries with something even vaguely resembling representative government in the Middle East. Israel seems to only extend that sort of courtesy to a part of its citizenry, but when you remember that the "stable" countries in the region are all more-or-less absolute monarchies, it becomes obvious why the US is willing to at least work with Israel.

> Israel seems to only extend that sort of courtesy to a part of its citizenry There have been over 100 Arabs in the Israeli parliament: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Kn...

Good for them. But if you're Arab Israeli, you don't have the same slate of rights and representation that Jewish Israelis have. See: freedom of movement to and from the Gaza Strip prior to October 7th.

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Post by mupuff1234 »

cempaka wrote: post #130
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

The best part is when it comes from our own "newspaper of record" i.e. with the extraordinarily dubious "mass rape" article the NYT published. They finally dismissed the one Israel-connected reporter who had liked tweets calling for a brutal response against Gaza, but that of course has seen about one billionth the attention that her original claims continue to receive. You also get stuff like the POTUS repeating lie…

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