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Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by nickff »

nextstep wrote: post #11

Also reported on by NY Times and posted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40583068 but like most articles about Israeli hacking, US Big Tech involvement in the war, etc it was immediately flagged once it reached the front page. I don’t know how much of this is moderators removing posts, or if there is a pro-Israel brigade that is censoring HN’s front page.

I'm one of the people who flags some of these articles (though not this one), because they're generally uninteresting, and repetitive. I'm not Jewish, have never been to Israel, and am not part of any brigade.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by wruza »

SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

The internet created a whole stratum of people who don’t use tv, radio and newspaper anymore. It’s not that we entered internet warfare, we just exited absolute control of large mass media. Now every TLA has to deal with it somehow.

Why internet is the battlefield? Because everything in our world is based on an opinion. You can sell a lot of bs to your “client” if he has “correct” opinion.

Bad news, our opinion system was designed for groups and villages, not for the internet.

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by jakelazaroff »

KenArrari wrote: post #27
myth_drannon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Equating things that Israel has clearly, demonstrably, actually done with blood libel is not a great idea even from a practical perspective.

To quote an Eli Valley cartoon: “It’s a blood libel to hit ‘play’ on our genocide TikToks!”

https://jewishcurrents.org/israels-defense

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by gotoeleven »

cempaka wrote: post #130
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

The best part is when it comes from our own "newspaper of record" i.e. with the extraordinarily dubious "mass rape" article the NYT published. They finally dismissed the one Israel-connected reporter who had liked tweets calling for a brutal response against Gaza, but that of course has seen about one billionth the attention that her original claims continue to receive. You also get stuff like the POTUS repeating lie…

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Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by nerdjon »

cempaka wrote: post #130
nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

The best part is when it comes from our own "newspaper of record" i.e. with the extraordinarily dubious "mass rape" article the NYT published. They finally dismissed the one Israel-connected reporter who had liked tweets calling for a brutal response against Gaza, but that of course has seen about one billionth the attention that her original claims continue to receive. You also get stuff like the POTUS repeating lie…

I have struggled to even look at my News app anymore.

Next to articles about the protests or other things, there are the articles about the hostages or something else that just feels like a propaganda piece aimed at one thing.

And that is just the headlines.

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Post by neves »

nerdjon wrote: post #123

I find it quite concerning just how much propaganda the US seems to get from Israel. Where I live there are big billboards around, I regularly see ads on YouTube. I know propaganda is a thing, but it feels like we are getting more about a foreign government than our own. I feel like before what is going on now I was aware of some of the groups responsible for this being a thing, but was not fully aware just how much…

Imagine if it were Russia or China

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Post by jowea »

vitus wrote: post #45
SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

> Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "Internet" branch of the military. Maybe that's already happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command is the closest thing that we have today. It's not a formal branch, though, but rather a joint effort across the existing branches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cyber_warfare_forces

A cursory look and it seems Germany and China were first to having a specific branch, but China dissolved theirs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_and_Information_Domain_S...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Str...

Re: Israel reportedly used fake social accounts to garner support from US lawmakers

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Post by lucubratory »

vitus wrote: post #45
SkipperCat wrote: post #4

Not a comment about who's right or wrong in this war, but it is fascinating that we have entered the age of the Internet being a place where warfare is fought. There have always been people posting web content about conflicts but now with Gaza and Ukraine, it seems that the nations fighting are actively looking at the internet as the fourth field of battle. Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "…

> Just waiting for a random US future president to create an "Internet" branch of the military. Maybe that's already happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Cyber_Command is the closest thing that we have today. It's not a formal branch, though, but rather a joint effort across the existing branches.

That's much more oriented to network security, spectrum and hardware, stuff like that. For an American military organisation engaged in internet influence operations you'd want to look at the signature reduction program. Something like 50,000 people strong at this point, insane amounts of resources going into that.

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Post by throw310822 »

golergka wrote: post #41
greenavocado wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many congressmen are dual citizens with Israeli citizenship? This is even worse. Also, AIPAC is allowed to exist . As a thought experiment replace Israeli with Russian citizenship for the Israeli dual citizens in Congress and replace AIPAC with a hypothetical Russian ARPAC. Imagine how crazy this would be. Yet the current situation is somehow completely acceptable.

> As a thought experiment replace Israeli with Russian citizenship for the Israeli dual citizens in Congress and replace AIPAC with a hypothetical Russian ARPAC Is Russia the main American ally in the region that contributes enormously to American intelligence and R&D, while also supporting American military operations?

Have you considered that things might go the other way around: if Russia had such a strong influence on the US through its political action lobby as Israel does, Russia would be considered by politicians the main ally of the US, and the economic and military ties between the two countries would be unbreakable. Because the purpose of these lobbies is exactly to influence how a certain country feels and acts about another.
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