Ugo Bardi wrote a great book on this. Before the Collapse - A Guide to the Other Side of Growth. See https://terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/coll.pdf
The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
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Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "solution" you're showcasing only addresses global warming, not climate change, nor any of the other facets of the environmental crisis (e.g. biodiversity collapse, ocean acidification, soil depletion, fresh water pollution, etc...). Techno-solutionism at its finest!
I don’t think anyone is arguing that it is a viable alternative to eventual decarbonization of the economy. Or if people are, they aren’t doing so in good faith. But it does very effectively prevent anything even approaching a “collapse.” Relatively cheaply, even.
I mean it depends on your perspective. Because you could also think that preventing only one of the multiple crisis we are facing won't be enough to perceptively delay the breaking point.
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#33Second coming, rapture etc are not unique to religious nutcases. It appears to be a mental disease that afflicts the atheist PhDs and others alike.
Over the last 100 years, average temperature (of whatever use this metric is) has gone up 1.5 deg C. Meanwhile life on this planet has flourished. Planet’s green cover has increased. Humans are better off on pretty much every metric.
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We had the technology to prevent climate change for a few billion dollar per year. Didn't happen.
as always, just follow the money… once effects of climate change become more expensive than solving the problem, the problem will be solved :)
Once the effects of climate change become too expensive or inconvenient for the ruling class you mean, which might be never since they are really good at shielding themselves from consequences.
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There won't ever be, until it's too late. We're propped up by unsustainable tech, ocean temperatures are on the rise. So we ignore it and continue?
No, we talk about the evidence we do have and use that to convince people. I’ve talked to a lot of climate deniers (unfortunately). These people may be saying and doing ignorant things but largely they are not stupid. They know when you make unfalsifiable claims, and that becomes part of their justification to ignore you.
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Who talked about sacrifice? De-growth is not about sacrifice, it's about changing the perspective on what is considered "good" and "desirable". I don't know why people are always so scared of de-growth, what you are describing with sacrifices is about decolonialism and global equalization. Ultimately if you are against such changes, you should champion neo-colonialism and make sure to promote racism so that you don't…
When I think “de-growth”, one of the first things I think of is China’s One-Child Policy. 1. How does the OCP “stop” colonialism? 2. If what you mean by “changing the perspective on good and desirable” is restricting who can have children and who can’t, then obviously people are going to be upset with you?
Ok, then we don't have the same definition of de-growth. China is very much growth oriented, although in a different way than the collective West.
2. I think that has more to do with eugenics than degrowth, degrowth is asking how many children is desirable, if you want 10 children, first you need to think about women and how desirable it is for them to be pregnant for 7-8 years of their lives, going through labor 10 times etc... Especially if 9 of those 10 children will live till 70, what good are you achieving there? World domination with your genes? XD
Asking people to not have kids sounds pretty undesirable and anti-democratic too, but it the desirability of it should be debated publicly for sure.
Also would you have 10 kids in a world where abundance is not a given? Where it's hard to afford a nanny, or even find one, etc...
Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
#37Second coming, rapture etc are not unique to religious nutcases. It appears to be a mental disease that afflicts the atheist PhDs and others alike. Over the last 100 years, average temperature (of whatever use this metric is) has gone up 1.5 deg C. Meanwhile life on this planet has flourished. Planet’s green cover has increased. Humans are better off on pretty much every metric.
If you consider that transhumans or posthumans will so far exceed natural humans, and you have no choice but to ascend with them to a world of brilliance that we cannot imagine OR languish in some dingy naturalist backwater, then the story of the rapture is real! :D Those left behind are in hell.
Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
#38Second coming, rapture etc are not unique to religious nutcases. It appears to be a mental disease that afflicts the atheist PhDs and others alike. Over the last 100 years, average temperature (of whatever use this metric is) has gone up 1.5 deg C. Meanwhile life on this planet has flourished. Planet’s green cover has increased. Humans are better off on pretty much every metric.
You need to educate yourself some more my friend.
You could start with the latest IPCC report's summary.
Green cover won't tell you much about loss of insects, marine wildlife, microorganism in the soil, etc...
Also I'd be interested in which specific metric you speak about when talking about humans being better off and which studies you are refering too. You'll reckon that if you don't even trust a widespread scientific consesus, I'll have a hard time trusting a random person on the interwebs.
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#39On the contrary, the next generation could be the first to experience sustainable prosperity.
https://www.nottheendoftheworld.co.uk/
Hannah Ritchie's book.
Re: The Collapse Is Coming. Will Humanity Adapt?
#40Make note of the author. Peter Watts wrote Blindsight.