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Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by weikju »

illiac786 wrote: post #84
itscrush wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forcing me into a voice assistant enabled at all times regardless though kills the whole thing. I end up preferring buttons and gui because the hands-free "assistance" is most often exercises in frustration and I conclude not worth it. At this point many years of poor quality experience whenever I encounter voice processing is the matter. Happy to call me old, stupid, and bad at speech ... all are probably true. Stil…

You are not happy with the voice recognition quality (me neither). But I don’t see how Siri being an “assistant” changes anything. It’s just (poor) voice recognition (and only when triggered). What is the difference between an assistant and voice commands for you? And which of these differences cannot be turned off?

1) person does not like Siri

2) person does not want to use Siri

3) therefore person wants to disable Siri

4) person also has a car and wants to use CarPlay

5) CarPlay will NOT work without enabling Siri

3 and 5 are in conflict with each other

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#92

Post by talldayo »

whimsicalism wrote: post #6
SOLAR_FIELDS wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article rightfully points out that Apple had Google Maps for several years on the device before launching their own maps service. I suspect that it will be treated more like search and not have the deep integrations with core API’s that their own eventual Ai offering will have. And of course when they do launch their own AI offering integration with the core API’s will probably be one of the big differentiators

I presume this is about a contract around something deeper than simply having another app, otherwise they could just build the app - no contract involved. I think that Google & Apple's trust relationship has broken down post-Google Maps.

> I think that Google & Apple's trust relationship has broken down post-Google Maps.

I think Apple's "trust" can be bought by a big enough customer, and Apple's continued interaction with Google's privacy-destroying search engine seems to demonstrate that nicely.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by ruraljuror »

ARandomerDude wrote: post #19
ksec wrote: post #10

It is very typical Apple that wants to play Google against OpenAI to their full advantage. All while buying themselves time to work on their own. I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone

Ah yes, just what we’ve all been craving: even more Microsoft.

At first I laughed with your astute comment, then remembered Apple and its customers will now be paying (transitively) Microsoft to put this feature on phones. I still agree with the point, but Microsoft has done such an amazing job of evolving and staying relevant.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#94

Post by lrvick »

matwood wrote: post #67
lrvick wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

Using words like 'cult' and 'evil' I think says more about your bias than anything else.

Apple offers people an extended social graph, support, and great UX so long as they leave their freedoms at the door of the walled garden. They win people over with carefully crafted psychological manipulation.

This is toxic behavior that stunts societal progress for money.

That is like a cult in that it exploits peoples tribal nature to lock them in to an ecosystem for the gain of those at the top.

I find that to be evil. I also find Microsoft, Google, and Meta to be just as bad if not worse, as well as all companies who emulate their behavior.

We should be selling users services, useful tools without restrictions, increased freedom, increased privacy, and increased defense against centralized entities that may put them at risk for profit or power.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by lrvick »

adamomada wrote: post #57
lrvick wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always wonder what it would take for people to exit the Apple cult. Of all the evil behavior from Apple, I did not expect this to be the thing at least some users find to be the last straw.

Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option

Google is as bad or worse, but there are plenty of other choices. Run a FOSS tablet, or forgo using a phone at all. They really are optional. I have not carried a phone in years.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#96

Post by illiac786 »

weikju wrote: post #91
illiac786 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not happy with the voice recognition quality (me neither). But I don’t see how Siri being an “assistant” changes anything. It’s just (poor) voice recognition (and only when triggered). What is the difference between an assistant and voice commands for you? And which of these differences cannot be turned off?

1) person does not like Siri 2) person does not want to use Siri 3) therefore person wants to disable Siri 4) person also has a car and wants to use CarPlay 5) CarPlay will NOT work without enabling Siri 3 and 5 are in conflict with each other

You sound very condescending, fyi.

Just don’t use it. Why is it so important to disable it? It’s similar to saying “I don’t want to use pockets, hence I don’t want any cloth with pockets”.

It really feels like you’re fixating a bit on this.

Since your have omitted “6/ person returns iPhone and happily goes on with its life”, I assume it’s the least bad option for you still.

If you really want the level of detailed control you’re about, take a custom rom on android. It’s more work but it’s possible.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by adamomada »

lrvick wrote: post #95
adamomada wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exit to where? For very many people, it’s the least-worst option

Google is as bad or worse, but there are plenty of other choices. Run a FOSS tablet, or forgo using a phone at all. They really are optional. I have not carried a phone in years.

There’s just so many things that have piled on the smartphone train that sometimes it is necessary. The recent blog about turning an iPhone into a dumb phone is realistically the best bet for a regular person - and if you do the sign in to iTunes / don’t sign in to iCloud, you get access to these (realistically. sometimes mandatory) apps

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#98

Post by itscrush »

illiac786 wrote: post #84
itscrush wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forcing me into a voice assistant enabled at all times regardless though kills the whole thing. I end up preferring buttons and gui because the hands-free "assistance" is most often exercises in frustration and I conclude not worth it. At this point many years of poor quality experience whenever I encounter voice processing is the matter. Happy to call me old, stupid, and bad at speech ... all are probably true. Stil…

You are not happy with the voice recognition quality (me neither). But I don’t see how Siri being an “assistant” changes anything. It’s just (poor) voice recognition (and only when triggered). What is the difference between an assistant and voice commands for you? And which of these differences cannot be turned off?

The key here is when you state "when triggered", it's already of poor quality when listening, why would I apply that low quality to an open mic situation? I don't want Siri available spending the few milliamps listening for something I'm trying to avoid.

I also don't want side button only, this triggers most of the times I drop my phone onto the wireless charger in the car. Edit: Clearly I should have bought iphone SE, at least home button avoids that?

It doesn't make sense that I should enable it just to avoid it and still get accidental triggers.

Carplay does not need any voice assistance to offer the basics like maps and audio. Lock the whole thing for all I care without Siri enabled, but to be useless if I choose to run my phone without Siri? Seems stupid to me. The trade off here is worse compared to set and forget with just Bluetooth connected for maps and audio at this point.

For a real trade off I'd consider; How about something easy like a shortcut which enables Siri when Carplay is triggered and disables Siri when Carplay disconnects?

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#99

Post by thunky »

illiac786 wrote: post #96
weikju wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) person does not like Siri 2) person does not want to use Siri 3) therefore person wants to disable Siri 4) person also has a car and wants to use CarPlay 5) CarPlay will NOT work without enabling Siri 3 and 5 are in conflict with each other

You sound very condescending, fyi. Just don’t use it. Why is it so important to disable it? It’s similar to saying “I don’t want to use pockets, hence I don’t want any cloth with pockets”. It really feels like you’re fixating a bit on this. Since your have omitted “6/ person returns iPhone and happily goes on with its life”, I assume it’s the least bad option for you still. If you really want the level of detailed co…

> Just don’t use it. Why is it so important to disable it?

They explained this in their post. Seems reasonable to me.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

#100

Post by weikju »

illiac786 wrote: post #96
weikju wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) person does not like Siri 2) person does not want to use Siri 3) therefore person wants to disable Siri 4) person also has a car and wants to use CarPlay 5) CarPlay will NOT work without enabling Siri 3 and 5 are in conflict with each other

You sound very condescending, fyi. Just don’t use it. Why is it so important to disable it? It’s similar to saying “I don’t want to use pockets, hence I don’t want any cloth with pockets”. It really feels like you’re fixating a bit on this. Since your have omitted “6/ person returns iPhone and happily goes on with its life”, I assume it’s the least bad option for you still. If you really want the level of detailed co…

> You sound very condescending, fyi.

I don't get this, at least if it relates to my particular reply. Someone seemed to be having trouble understanding the reasoning of someone else and I tried to summarize it. Where's do you get condescending from this?

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