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Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#81

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Maybe some plugins could work with both.

Also custom integrations

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#82
post #36

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Salesforce is a generic application platform today, and this is how see it. Openkoda is not a drop-in replacement for Salesforce CRM, it is a useful replacement when you want to build your core business application a) retaining full source code ownership and ability to get any Java/JS team to work on it and run anywhere you want, b) without becoming dependent on technology and commercial limitations of working with b…

People don’t build applications on Salesforce because it’s a generic platform, they build on it because they need to integrate with the sales/crm process/data/etc.

Edit: To be clear, I’m not saying your idea isn’t good. There is tons of room for this stuff, but be careful in assuming the reason devs use Salesforce platform is because of the features. It’s usually not.

Source: I ran dev tools at Salesforce.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#83
post #28

Salesforce's biggest value proposition is the partner ecosystem, which Salesforce has cultivated for like 20+ years. Some platform companies (Shopify comes to mind) cannibalize their plugin ecosystem by adding similar functionality to the core platform, but Salesforce deliberately avoids competing with software/services in the partner ecosystem. It's such a safe bet to build on top of Salesforce, because there's basi…

We actively look for service/technology partners, so if you want to build an application or extension on top of Openkoda for you or your clients we would be more than happy. Openkoda Core is released under MIT license, so we have no means to stop you!

Should chat with the folks at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40469773, your system could be a potential integration target.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#84
Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any links to any documentation beyond the surface level. The closest seems to be the technology page at https://openkoda.com/technology/ which seems to be aiming to sell to budget owners. Nothing wrong with marketing to budget owners, but if the selling point vs Odoo is 'it's easier to build your app on OpenKoda, then deep and detailed developer docs are a must.

Documentation is where a lot of the 'new' ERP efforts fall flat and the established players get right. As a purchasing manager, I want to be able to send the landing page to a lead dev and be able to ask them 'Do you think this will work better for upcoming new program XYZ?'. Without stellar documentation, the answer is inevitably going to be 'not sure'.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#85

Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any links to any documentation beyond the surface level. The closest seems to be the technology page at https://openkoda.com/technology/ which seems to be aiming to sell to budget owners. Nothing wrong with marketing to budget owners, but if the selling point vs Odoo is 'it's easier to build your app on OpenKoda, then deep and detailed developer docs are a must. Documentation is…

Thank you for your interest!

You may want to share the following docs as a good starter:

Short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gob4j072Isg

5-min guide: https://github.com/openkoda/openkoda/blob/main/openkoda/doc/...

Installation: https://github.com/openkoda/openkoda/blob/main/openkoda/doc/...

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty I'd like to improve but it's honestly in a very good shape. There's a reason enterprise picks Java - it's battle tested and there are enough quality developers around. Frameworks like Spring for webdev are top notch. Unless you've got a very specific reason to pick something else (python or rust or whatever) Java is the safe bet (along with c# but Java is an order of magnitude bigger I think). It's jus…

It's not just a meme. The developer experience in Java is worse compared to some other popular programming languages like JavaScript, Go, Python, etc. The language is a bit verbose, and the compiling speed is slow, hence the development speed is slower. Java developers tend to overly abstract things, so the code tends to be unnecessarily complicated. The JVM also has a high memory footprint, the startup speed is slow…

It is a meme.

I'm not sure if any of this is true and you seem to be contradicting yourself. Java is far less verbose than Go, and the compiler is leagues faster than kotlin's, graal's native compiler, probably most other languages, and I'm sure its faster than Babel. Javac doesn't do any optimizations, just emits bytecode. Why is it acceptable for Go to be verbose and kotlinc to be slow?

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#87
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Hey! As a Odoo dev, it’s really cool to see Odoo mentioned here. I was thinking the same thing regarding its similarities. I’ve always regarded Odoo as the “batteries included” ERP framework. Here in Australia, Odoo is finally starting to hit some strides. We’re seeing more jobs in the market requesting Odoo experience, at our work we’re onboarding more customers than we have before. All said, I’m definitely going to…

Just want to say a friendly "hello" - great to see Odoo team here!

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#88
post #85

Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any links to any documentation beyond the surface level. The closest seems to be the technology page at https://openkoda.com/technology/ which seems to be aiming to sell to budget owners. Nothing wrong with marketing to budget owners, but if the selling point vs Odoo is 'it's easier to build your app on OpenKoda, then deep and detailed developer docs are a must. Documentation is…

Thank you for your interest! You may want to share the following docs as a good starter: Short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gob4j072Isg 5-min guide: https://github.com/openkoda/openkoda/blob/main/openkoda/doc/... Installation: https://github.com/openkoda/openkoda/blob/main/openkoda/doc/...

Thanks for the links. While they are great to get started with, it only highlights my point about comprehensive docs. The starter links are not enough to be able to answer any of the questions that need to be answered before making a bet on a new platform.

Not trying to be a downer, but I hope you're able to focus on improving docs in the near future.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#89
post #38

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Odoo is very open core, only a thin core is open source, whereas the vast majority of features are closed source.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

#90
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Odoo is very open core, only a thin core is open source, whereas the vast majority of features are closed source.

That's not true. The enterprise part is much smaller than the open source part.
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