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Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by acaloiar »

tomrod wrote: post #40
megadal wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Odoo's quest for monetization from open source has been a bit off-putting. I stopped using it a few quarters back due to that. Community and Enterprise are becoming too disjointed.

I can't speak specifically for Odoo's quest for monetization because I'm not a user; it very well may not be a healthy one. But in general I think FOSS monetization should be celebrated. Successful open source software businesses are generally good for everyone except for closed source software businesses.

Is there something in particular that's flawed with Odoo's business?

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by citizenpaul »

mateus1 wrote: post #21
tootie wrote: post #16

Is this meant to be a drop-in replacement for Salesforce or just another CRM? There's a built-in advantage to choosing the tool that everybody uses and that's compatibility. If you look at 1000 data integration or marketing automation tools on the market, 1000 of them will have OOTB integration with Salesforce as a selling feature. Just to be realistic, building a better CRM won't be enough to replace Salesforce.

Nothing can be a drop-in replacement for Salesforce as it is designed almost exclusively to lock-in customers.

Salesforce is a case study in how rich dark patterns can make you.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl »

Thank you for such an overwhelming reception, we truly appreciate your comments and been sharing your feedback back and forth on our Slack channels today.

If you have a strong enterprise use case, I would be super happy to schedule a quick Openkoda demo for you, including all the bells and whistles. Just share a short description and ping me at: mglomba@openkoda.com

We are still actively watching this thread and will try to address as many questions as possible.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl »

megadal wrote: post #45
mgl wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I think you could compare Openkoda with Odoo, but well... we are nowhere near being billionaires ;)

Assuming you are apart of the team, I'm sure you know Odoo is 20 years old. So, I can't see why in time there couldn't be real competition. OpenKoda and Odoo actually have sparked interesting questions for me about what an Open source ERP market would look like. One conclusion I came to is as opposed to vendor lock-in as most ERP/CRM products try to enforce, it would actually be better to go the opposite direction (h…

We meet a lot of companies who are not happy with software solutions which are hard to modify.

It's not even about the cost, but about the limitations and poor development velocity.

These companies strive to build something innovative, they just find these closed platforms really cumbersome and slow to deliver.

When you start investing millions of dollars into a bespoke solution you really want to truly own it at some point. And this is impossible with closed and proprietary application platforms.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by rodgerd »

999900000999 wrote: post #42

Looks cool, but honestly what companies need a Salesforce like too but can't afford Salesforce force ? I'm still have to host this thing somewhere, if I'm bootstraping a startup I might as well rely on Excel until I can afford Salesforce. I like the project though. Best of luck.

> Looks cool, but honestly what companies need a Salesforce like too but can't afford Salesforce force ?

Consider the example of APRA-regulated entities (banks and super funds who do business in Australia, for example): APRA's CPS230, which describes the requirements for business continuity, requires that you not lock yourself into a single vendor for a variety of critical functions, which means you need to explain how you'll keep your bank running if the relationship with that vendor is severed.

Depending on the function - for example, if it's considered "country-sustaining" or "bank-sustaining" - APRA may require you can do that in a matter of minutes through to hours. You may be very happy running Salesforce as your primary vendor - but if you want to be able to explain how you can run critical functions in the event of SF deleting your account a la Google, or a commercial breakdown, or whatever, having something that you could hydrate your data into, repoint your systems to their APIs, and keep basic functionality going is a very useful BCP to be able to demonstrate.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by rodgerd »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #29
llmblockchain wrote: post #13

In true enterprise fashion, they went with Java. Enterprise, confirmed.

Honest question, what's wrong with Java? It's performant, has mature libraries, good documentation, and supported pretty much everywhere.

Also the kinds of people who know how to solve the kinds of problems that this sort of software deals with are likely to be Java programmers.

The biggest strike against Java at this point (IMO) is that you don't know what Oracle are going to do to make your life harder in the future.

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by jamesbfb »

megadal wrote: post #38
righthand wrote: post #32

So a CRM that replicates Salesforce APIs? Sales people don’t want a Salesforce FOSS version, that’s why they green light salesforce. It’s about trend not practical software. Only dev teams that have been implementing Salesforce for 5 years want a FOSS version.

Well, there is Odoo. Which is pretty much exactly what OpenKoda is (FOSS ERP). Odoo is doing quite well. It made Fabien Panckaers the youngest billionaire in Belgium.

Hey! As a Odoo dev, it’s really cool to see Odoo mentioned here. I was thinking the same thing regarding its similarities. I’ve always regarded Odoo as the “batteries included” ERP framework.

Here in Australia, Odoo is finally starting to hit some strides. We’re seeing more jobs in the market requesting Odoo experience, at our work we’re onboarding more customers than we have before. All said, I’m definitely going to fire up OpenKoda and brush up on my Java :)

Re: Show HN: Openkoda – Open–source, private, Salesforce alternative

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Post by mgl »

rodgerd wrote: post #76
999900000999 wrote: post #42

Looks cool, but honestly what companies need a Salesforce like too but can't afford Salesforce force ? I'm still have to host this thing somewhere, if I'm bootstraping a startup I might as well rely on Excel until I can afford Salesforce. I like the project though. Best of luck.

> Looks cool, but honestly what companies need a Salesforce like too but can't afford Salesforce force ? Consider the example of APRA-regulated entities (banks and super funds who do business in Australia, for example): APRA's CPS230, which describes the requirements for business continuity, requires that you not lock yourself into a single vendor for a variety of critical functions, which means you need to explain h…

That's spot-on.

We have a proposal review meeting with an Australian insurance company scheduled for this Thursday.

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