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Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by hombre_fatal »

HappMacDonald wrote: post #129
globular-toast wrote: post #76

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I think you are closer to the mark. People don't seem to realise they didn't eat meat as much back then. Like not even 10% what people eat now. To sustain the amount of meat consumption today they would have been killing every single day! In fact, it was common for families to have one pig which they'd kill around Christmas time. The pig was fed waste food (leftovers, vegetable peelings etc). They ate the entire pig,…

I'm curious what the old timey protein options looked like. I know that modern vegans have a more challenging time sourcing protein. Old time diets didn't have the same limitations that modern vegan diets do, so they could for example lean on eggs and similar options. But if you subtract 90% of protein sources from a modern diet, they had to have been eating something to make up that deficit and I'm always in the mar…

> I know that modern vegans have a more challenging time sourcing protein.

I'm having trouble understanding your post, maybe because you got this backwards.

Modern vegans have a trivial time sourcing protein. Tofu, wheat gluten (seitan), TVP, tempeh, and all the infinite vegetable options available year round instead of just seasonally.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by hombre_fatal »

pvaldes wrote: post #65
actionfromafar wrote: post #38

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Why would any of that refute "a lot more would be vegetarian"?

Well, from a philosophical point of view, vegetarian movement is unfair for the plants Plants that are responsible of lots and lots of human well-being and as life beings deserve to be treated with a similar respect that we use with other organisms. Incidentally is also bad for human health Yes, it is. Those articles that claim that you can live on a strict vegetarian diet without any bad consequences for your health…

What are these bad consequences so that someone can challenge your position?

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by culi »

Narishma wrote: post #121
culi wrote: post #116

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Thanks for the correction. Not sure what myth you're talking about. Goats are one of the main seed dispersers at this point and overgrazing can even be a problem. Goats do also climb argan trees naturally for fruit, but I looked it up and there is an issue of herders purposefully trying to put many goats into a tree for tourists to take pictures. I'd imagine you wouldn't see a whole dozen of them in a tree like this…

The article you linked has a section about goats eating the argan fruit and pooping the nuts which are then supposedly collected to make argan oil. That's pure BS.

I see. Thanks for the clarification

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by throwaway73375 »

crashmat wrote: post #96
smeej wrote: post #82

> ...casting nervous glances at a rooster slowly approaching me like a Weeping Angel. > Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. They [the Weeping Angels] are fast. Faster than you can believe. Don't turn your back. Don't turn away. And most of all, don't blink. I know this has nothing to do with the point of the article, but Weeping Angels are exactly the wrong analogy for something approaching slowly!

I think the comparison was more based on the rooster approaching when they werent looking and stopping when they were. I can't recall any other monsters that do that.

Cats.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by salomonk_mur »

jen729w wrote: post #42
tomcam wrote: post #34

I made the mistake of buying chickens as livestock. I fell in love with the day-old chicks the moment we got into the car to take them home. Plan was that 1/3 would become food, 1/3 would die of disease, and the remainder would lay eggs. Unfortunately I lost my taste for chicken. We lost 1/3 due to predators, not disease, despite building a $20,000 chicken run. I was depressed for months. And I have been through some…

Yeah! We got a couple of backyard chooks and thought it’d be eggs all the way. Three years later, and we’re taking Belinda ‘the bruiser’ to the vet tomorrow for her second hormone implant. Turns out the ISA Browns that are bred to lay have their insides just destroyed by the constant production. So you can let them die, or you can spend thousands of dollars keeping them alive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I had no idea I’d love chicken…

In my country, whenever a chicken was running too old, you'd just make a great sancocho out of the opportunity.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by tbyehl »

tomcam wrote: post #126
tbyehl wrote: post #112

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Are you not on any chicken social media groups? If you're paying someone else to build something with, uh, curb appeal — fully painted, metal roof, nice hardware — $20k is real easy.

I didn’t trust myself so I hired an awesome dude who did a great job. Two years later we learned mountain lions are bigger and stronger than expected.

Sorry for your loss.

And that's kinda crazy bad luck. Every story I recall reading of a mountain lion getting into a chicken enclosure built well enough to defend against a determined racoon or fox has been a young cat strolling through an open door, not forcing their way in.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by Galatians4_16 »

ars wrote: post #127
Galatians4_16 wrote: post #125

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Feed food waste to chickens, fish, rabbits, and worms. Feed poop to worms and bacteria, feed bacteria and worm waste to plants, which convert that dastardly CO2 to sweet wholesome Oxygen. I was always taught that recycling was good, while pumping oil out of the ground and creating new CO2 is bad, but I'm no expert.

It's better to eat the "food waste", rather than create more waste in the first place. If I have leftover rice, I'd rather refrigerate it and eat it tomorrow, instead of feed it to chickens. Rabbits can not eat food waste, they have very sensitive digestions. Very few fish will eat food waste (mostly just tilapia will do so). > feed bacteria and worm waste to plants Plants do not eat bacteria. You can't just "feed" w…

Plants do eat bacteria waste (see aquaponics), rabbits can eat some kitchen plant waste, but should of course not solely be fed that, (same with chickens), rabbit poop can be fed to fish and chickens (rabbits themselves eat it like 3x because poor digestive tract)… There are obviously a few steps I left unmentioned, as I am keeping my comments simplistic for the format.

You seem to have selective comprehension issues.

Recycling is more than just throwing trash into different coloured bins and burning oil to process it; Specifically, recycling in my comment refers to the process of water and air turning into food, and back into water and air, as has been customary for terran life for a few years now.

It is quite simply a natural cycle using no oil for centuries, vs. an industrial cycle using millions of tons of oil per year.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

chrisco255 wrote: post #39
globular-toast wrote: post #35

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A lot more people would be veggie if they had to kill the animals themselves. You just wouldn't do it unless you were really hungry, which I doubt anyone on this forum has experienced even once.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Not the case in many South Asian cultures. Lots of South Asians have been vegetarian for a really long time. Jain and Hindu foundational texts advocate for vegetarianism and Buddhism, also originally from the region, also treats vegetarianism as a foundational concept. These all derive from the concept of ahimsa, the principle of nonviolence. People have been horrified at killing for a very long time, in times much materially poorer than our own now. Even now a third of India is vegetarian.

> You are a descendent of millions of years of hunters. I know many hunters and have been hunting myself. I know many who like to fish and have been fishing myself, and cooked my own catch. It's quite a satisfying experience actually.

When I see posts like this I chuckle a bit at how steeped in their culture they are.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Karrot_Kream wrote: post #138
chrisco255 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even 3 generations ago, it was incredibly common for people to slaughter their own farm animals. My grandmother was an old farm woman, raised in the time before refrigeration. She'd slaughter and pluck her own chickens without a second thought. It's entirely a modern phenomenon of global distribution and modern conditioning that lead you to that conclusion. Some animals evolved to be prey, and that is why they ha…

Not the case in many South Asian cultures. Lots of South Asians have been vegetarian for a really long time. Jain and Hindu foundational texts advocate for vegetarianism and Buddhism, also originally from the region, also treats vegetarianism as a foundational concept. These all derive from the concept of ahimsa, the principle of nonviolence. People have been horrified at killing for a very long time, in times much m…

Not all Buddhists are vegetarian. It would be really hard to live in the Tibetan plateau or in Mongolia and be vegetarian, just because the land supports grazing and not much farming beyond that. Yet those areas are heavily Buddhist, even if even the monks eat meat.

Re: Chickens in Trees

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #139
Karrot_Kream wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the case in many South Asian cultures. Lots of South Asians have been vegetarian for a really long time. Jain and Hindu foundational texts advocate for vegetarianism and Buddhism, also originally from the region, also treats vegetarianism as a foundational concept. These all derive from the concept of ahimsa, the principle of nonviolence. People have been horrified at killing for a very long time, in times much m…

Not all Buddhists are vegetarian. It would be really hard to live in the Tibetan plateau or in Mongolia and be vegetarian, just because the land supports grazing and not much farming beyond that. Yet those areas are heavily Buddhist, even if even the monks eat meat.

Definitely and despite ~ 70-80% of India being Hindu only a third of India is vegetarian, so there are more non-veg than veg Hindus. But those cultures often frown on relishing meat (much in the way Protestants "frown" on promiscuity or Muslims "frown" on showing skin even though in practice it absolutely happens) or eating meat and only meat. In a lot of Buddhist Asia you can ask for the "monk's menu" and you'll get something that is veg and can be flavorful (but not always as keeping food underspiced is part of being Buddhist.) You also find lots of households where meat is eaten sparingly or combined with other protein dense foods like tofu or seitan to make a complete meal.

I contrast this with Western cultures where meat is often the centerpiece of the dish and many times your food is just meat with accompanying carbs and veggies. The kind of rhetoric the GP had about relishing hunting is a lot more absent from these cultures just because there's a general understanding that eating meat is unethical but something we all do because we aren't perfect.

All that to say that culture creates a powerful framing. Obviously in places like the steppes it's very hard to live without eating meat, but in places rich with agriculture attitudes toward meat are more about the culture you're steeped in than any material nutritional issues.

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