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Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by overstay8930 »

OutOfHere wrote: post #58

What are the ways to manage a DDoS attack, preferably using open source? Don't say Cloudflare because they're an extortionist firm.

Plenty of DDoS mitigation firms use open source tech, but that’s only step one of mitigation, most normal firms will never be able to stop a DDoS attack without someone else with a lot of resources tanks the attack for you.

Even if you go all out and buy a bunch of huge IP transit links, you are not gonna be able to stop the IXP 800 miles away from getting congested and blocking your customers from accessing your site anyways. You need access to a backbone to route traffic differently to avoid those kinds of issues, which is why DDoS scrubbing services will partner with a T1 ISP to do most of the work.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by jkrejcha »

matsemann wrote: post #76
sirtaj wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The user you're responding to is Jason Scott of TIA.

What's the significance of that? (Googling "Jason Scott TIA" gives me "Dr Jason Scott is a Senior Research Fellow in the Tasmanian Institute of Agriculture" which doesn't explain much to me)

Jason Scott works at the Internet Archive[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by krapp »

viraptor wrote: post #87
krapp wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? People do this shit for fun. There used to be a program (LOIC) popular on 4chan used for DDoS attacks all the time, it's the origin of the "firin mah lazer" meme.

The lazer meme (2006) predates LOIC (~2010) by years https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shoop-da-whoop

I stand corrected.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

jedberg wrote: post #60
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But wouldn't they need to telegraph the attack in advance to customers? Taking credit after the fact is risky as many competitors will also take credit

Yes, that is part of it. They tell potential clients, "On May 27th, I'm going to take down the Internet Archive". Then they do it, and then go back to their clients and say, "now that you've seen my work, do you want to pay me?".

Then wouldn't it make more sense to take down a target with few eyes on it? Since you're not paid, why deal with the risk of an attack that will make the news?

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by OutOfHere »

jsyang00 wrote: post #66
OutOfHere wrote: post #58

What are the ways to manage a DDoS attack, preferably using open source? Don't say Cloudflare because they're an extortionist firm.

Cloudflare is not "an extortionist firm". It is a large tech company, where occasionally teams employ shitty sales tactics to meet their numbers, but generally provides a valuable service and acts reasonably ethically. There are open source tools to mitigate DDoS, but all of them will have some marginal cost to run, and they will all be significantly worse than Cloudflare as they benefit from neither Cloudflare's dat…

No, thanks. Cloudflare acts ethically only until it suits them. It is the pre-exploitation phase to lure a customer. We are not fools here. The report at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40481808 says it all.

Secondly, considering Cloudflare would MITM all traffic, it would make a data good source for the NSA, thereby violating all user privacy.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by OutOfHere »

robertakarobin wrote: post #67
OutOfHere wrote: post #58

What are the ways to manage a DDoS attack, preferably using open source? Don't say Cloudflare because they're an extortionist firm.

Aw darn, they are? I was just considering migrating my frontend to them after seeing all the positive reviews. What's the issue?

Refer to the report at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40481808

Secondly, considering Cloudflare would MITM all traffic, it would make a data good source for the NSA, thereby violating all user privacy.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by jedberg »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #95
jedberg wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that is part of it. They tell potential clients, "On May 27th, I'm going to take down the Internet Archive". Then they do it, and then go back to their clients and say, "now that you've seen my work, do you want to pay me?".

Then wouldn't it make more sense to take down a target with few eyes on it? Since you're not paid, why deal with the risk of an attack that will make the news?

Making the news is the goal. As long as a few people can verify it was you, word will get around about the person who can take down big targets, and will cite the news articles as part of the proof.

Re: The Internet Archive is under a DDoS attack

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Post by kristopolous »

tetris11 wrote: post #16

Who's their biggest enemy at the moment

Anyone who doesn't like the availability and accessibility of history and documents.

Lots of people want to rewrite or erase history.

Quoting a story I wrote about this a few years ago:

"Everything you speak, all ideas, all things, all thoughts, they are all of the past. Society and knowledge is a composite of the shadows of former presents.

When people lie or misrepresent knowledge they speak of a past they wish to change.

What if people who have the most to gain from deceit had a tool to actually change the past and make these lies the truth?"

Here it is if you're curious https://kristopolous.medium.com/stephen-hawking-had-a-time-t...

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