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Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by liendolucas »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

Is it 100% open source? Or is it a device that I'm going to be locked in like mobile phones? Are any chances that the price goes down? I think now this is a factor that prevents me from buying it.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by CrazyStat »

eli wrote: post #148
turtlebits wrote: post #104

IMO, the software will be the most important part of the device, not necessarily the screen. What makes the Remarkable great is that it's functionality (while limited) makes for an excellent experience. Any more details on what apps will be built in and designed for the device? (not just 3rd party Android apps that will feel like any other tablet). Also - I would order this immediately to support more e-ink devices,…

Aren't there already Android tablets with eink screens?

Yes. I have a Boox, and I’m quite happy with it. I don’t use many android apps, but the killer app for me (why I got it over a Remarkable or Kindle Scribe) is being able to run a Zotero-compatible app (Zoo for Zotero) with bidirectional sync for reading and marking up PDFs.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by xnx »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #155
floundy wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! A Waveshare portable e-ink monitor is $499.99 for the 10.3" size, almost identical to the Daylight's 10.5" display. The external display would also outlast this tablet device for sure. And if I'm reading the MediaTek Helio G99 specs correctly, it seems to have similar raw performance to a Raspberry Pi 5. One could easily put together a little "productivity PC" using a Pi (or a Windows mini PC), a power bank,…

if you make something comparable for $729, i will buy it from you x 10 not kidding its hard to get things made at low batch sizes with good economics! (third party video based reviews coming in the weeks ahead! youtubers hopefully will actually reply to us now after the attention of this launch) PS this review does a good job of describing the perf / tradeoffs of the G99 https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaomi-Redmi-Pad…

I hope MKBHD does a review of it.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by bloopernova »

e-_pusher wrote: post #133
funksta wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big reMarkable 2 fan here, and it's very intriguing to see some competition to traditional eInk! Coming from the rM2, my immediate concerns are display density, and impact of the light on writing feel (both reMarkable and Ratta claim that feel suffers with the extra space between the pen tip and display). Also as someone who makes a lot of pdf-based tools for the reMarkable, I'd love to see a video or details about t…

Source: I was the chief hardware engineer for this device. The problem with eink tablets is that they must use front light, and not backlight due to how eink works. This means there is an extra layer in front of the layer where the pixels are, which causes parallax effects which makes writing feel fake. This is (likely) why remarkable deleted the frontlight from their product. Whereas with the daylight tablet, we hav…

I was really impressed by the Kindle Scribe pen input. I don't suppose you've compared that and the Daylight side by side?

Actually that might make an interesting video, going through basic workflows on different tablets.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by xnx »

dtx1 wrote: post #11
sparrish wrote: post #6

Android 13 with 8GB RAM. I'm not familiar with the MediaTek Helio G99 CPU. Will this perform well or just be another underpowered tablet for $800?

> 2x Arm Cortex-A76 up to 2.2GHz > 6x Arm Cortex-A55 up to 2.0GHz > LPDDR4X > Arm Mali-G57 MC2 Not great, not terrible. I'd say lower middle class phone, roughly equivalent to the Snapdragon 680. The real question is longterm software and security support. I'd bet good money this will se one android update and security patches late or never at best.

They've said the bootloader is unlocked so it should never be totally obsolete.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by stefanha »

mikhailt wrote: post #97
stefanha wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc). Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. Th…

You can see the videos here: https://daylightco.gorgias.help/en-US#article-509983

Thank you! This quick overview is helpful: https://player.vimeo.com/video/922512661

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by edderkopp »

mattkevan wrote: post #31

Yeah this looks like a cool device. I love my Remarkable, but the lack of backlight and slow refresh rate means it’s not as versatile as it could be. A tablet that has similar screen properties to eink but with a backlight and 60fps would be much more usable, especially at night.

Indeed. Another advantage of this tablet over Remarkable is that it should be possible to set up synchronization with many more cloud services, including Nextcloud. Remarkable is limited to the biggest commercial cloud providers.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by smusamashah »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

I bought a remarkable. But then a 2 years later had to sell it because my kid was running around and fiddling with my things. I could give my kid the Kindle and will have peace of mind that he can't break, even if he tries. Remarkable is just need a drop on the floor.

How rugged and heavy is your tablet? If it's easily breakable, do you have any future plans to make a tiny, small phone sized light weight paper tablet which one can pull out of pocket like a notepad write stuff and put back, and most importantly have no care in the world of breaking it?

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by aidenn0 »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

So this is a trans-reflective LCD screen?

Does it invert the colors when backlit?

It's about 50% heavier than rM2; the battery is almost triple the capacity of rM2; I assume these are related and both due to the use of LCD over eInk?

How many shades of gray?

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