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Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by boochiboo12 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:43 PM UTC

ramesh31 wrote: post #53

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

Why no LTE?

$$$

certifications for mobile/modems are expensive

our future gens will have it once/if we have the resources

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by keane » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:43 PM UTC

cush wrote: post #42

normalaccess wrote: post #7

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For some, e-ink displays are the holy grail of tech. I have several e-ink devices but the real hangup is the refresh rate. If this solves that problem in a meaningful way it could be game changing.

Some are comparing their display tech to Pebble, which was so threatening to the growing smartwatch market that Fitbit purchased the company and (for reasons I don't know) took all their IP and shelved it. I wonder if Daylight will be able to keep their mission when Amazon comes knocking

Happily they’re a public benefit corporation

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by cmrdporcupine » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:44 PM UTC

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

What if I want this display tech but just as a monitor to use with my existing setup for doing engineering work? (E.g. emacs, tiling window manager, etc.)

The device as it's presented looks like a consumption device ("tablet" etc), but tech like this seems like it'd be most useful for a production device (general purpose computing device, programming/development tools).

I'd like the display, but uncoupled from the lifestyle assumptions that come with a consumer lifestyle tablet accessory...

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by tapia » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:44 PM UTC

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

This looks very exiting! I am a long-time Sony DPT/Fujitsu Quaderno user and love these kind of devices. My question would be whether you have plans in the future to make a 13.3" version. The 10" versions are just too small for my use (mostly reading scientific papers).

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by stefanha » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:45 PM UTC

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

I have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc).

Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. That's what I would look for when deciding to buy this.

Maybe YouTube reviewers will end up providing this information...

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by boochiboo12 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:45 PM UTC

modeless wrote: post #29

boochiboo12 wrote: post #26

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It is a Godzilla pebble watch I hope you will be pleased

I hope you don't meet the same fate as Pebble. Maybe you can do a watch next?

need more feedback on what the use case / killer apps to nail of a 'pebble watch returns' would be

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by boochiboo12 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:47 PM UTC

cwrichardkim wrote: post #40

Can you tell us a bit more about the OS? does it resemble stock android or would it be unrecognizable for most people? Tiny bit of feedback: the cart doesn't make it clear what the founder's edition is

it can pretty easily become / look like stock android if you switch out our launcher for one of your preference

we also gonna come out with a bootloader unlock tool so you can customize it to your hearts content

goal is to be hacker/DIY friendly.. we'll get better and better with this over time

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by e-_pusher » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:47 PM UTC

vineyardlabs wrote: post #58

Any more specific numbers on battery life? I see it says "days" on the website, but I'm curious if there's an hours number with usage condition specified (ie, screen on, reading a book, etc.)

Source: I was the chief hardware engineer for this device.

Anjan can comment further to see if the team these days has any further optimizations in store, but with my personal Daylight tablet anecdotally, these days I am charging it every other week, and using it for 1-2 hours a day to browse the web and read PDFs. I usually have a low backlight setting on it.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by jojule » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:48 PM UTC

boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

I would love to see terminal/unix being part of the story. I realize that one can install Termux, but telling the story without it would be super attractive for developers. It would also further differentiate from iPad.

Any thoughts on this for us developers?

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by kiliantorpey » Thu, May 23, 2024, 8:48 PM UTC

boochiboo12 wrote: post #48

dtx1 wrote: post #33

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So this is an advanced form of reflective LCD? Interesting. LTT recently tested a color display like that too[0]. A few Questions: Why is it black and white? Does the Image stay the same when the device is off? What is the surface like for the Pen? Is the Display recessed so there's parallax between pen and Display or is it laminated like an iPad? How is the repairability? Can the battery be replaced easily? How is s…

1) black & white because bayer color filter will cut your brightness by 66% 2) alas we gave up bistability for speed, so the image doesn't stay when you turn it off (however, we maybe can do quasi-bistability with this tech for watch or kindle sized future devices) 3) the pen writing feel is similar to my favorite japanese paper campus kokoyu. you could argue comparable to a remarkable or maybe even better for some 4…

Some more questions about software support. It seems the device is using android. Do you have any plan to support mainline linux kernel? It could allow the possibility to use native linux distro like PostmarketOS (https://postmarketos.org/) for device longevity. Your team could also benefit from delegating some softare support effort to linux kernel team.