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Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by talldayo »

wvenable wrote: post #409
zemo wrote: post #366

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there’s a huge gulf between saying “I think that guy is wrong” on a web forum and sentencing them to death in an extremely public and slow and painful manner. Nobody is being crucified here. It is intellectually dishonest to see criticism as crucifixion.

This isn't criticism, it's a witch hunt. Your argument here boils down to "he's evil" because of his movie preferences .

1. It stands to reason Sam could be held criminally liable over using someone else's likeness to promote his product. CEOs have been lost in federal court over sillier Tweets, and assuming Sam is in the right here is a silly move for any of us since nobody in this comment section has meaningful oversight of the OpenAI board.

2. If someone dedicated their life's work to building the Bioelectric Battery from The Matrix, I am going to call them evil. It's not because I hate The Matrix, it's because I consider the net worth of such a tool to be negative and object to it's creation entirely. If someone's vision is based on the wrong moral takeaways from a piece of media, then people will rightfully demonize them for it. That's society.

"The function of science fiction is not always to predict the future but sometimes to prevent it." - Frank Herbert

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by wvenable »

talldayo wrote: post #471
wvenable wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't criticism, it's a witch hunt. Your argument here boils down to "he's evil" because of his movie preferences .

1. It stands to reason Sam could be held criminally liable over using someone else's likeness to promote his product. CEOs have been lost in federal court over sillier Tweets, and assuming Sam is in the right here is a silly move for any of us since nobody in this comment section has meaningful oversight of the OpenAI board. 2. If someone dedicated their life's work to building the Bioelectric Battery from The Matrix…

#1 is fine assuming such a crime was committed. But for as much as people assume this to be true, actually looking at the evidence it doesn't seem like it. OpenAI would have to be explicit in copying the likeness. Something may still come out in discovery but anything discussed here is just vague supposition.

#2 Is begging the question. It starts with with the premise that AI is evil and therefore Sam Altman is committing evil by promoting it.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by talldayo »

wvenable wrote: post #472
talldayo wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. It stands to reason Sam could be held criminally liable over using someone else's likeness to promote his product. CEOs have been lost in federal court over sillier Tweets, and assuming Sam is in the right here is a silly move for any of us since nobody in this comment section has meaningful oversight of the OpenAI board. 2. If someone dedicated their life's work to building the Bioelectric Battery from The Matrix…

#1 is fine assuming such a crime was committed. But for as much as people assume this to be true, actually looking at the evidence it doesn't seem like it. OpenAI would have to be explicit in copying the likeness. Something may still come out in discovery but anything discussed here is just vague supposition. #2 Is begging the question. It starts with with the premise that AI is evil and therefore Sam Altman is commi…

> OpenAI would have to be explicit in copying the likeness.

Unless you are privy to the last 10 months of OpenAI's closed-door meeting notes, I don't think you have the authority to explicitly deny this. Time will tell what comes of it, but the obsession with namedropping Her among OpenAI employees feels like the final nail in the coffin. If OpenAI fully complies with the discovery process I don't have faith that Sam Altman was as sneaky as he's made-out to be.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by wvenable »

talldayo wrote: post #473
wvenable wrote: post #472

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#1 is fine assuming such a crime was committed. But for as much as people assume this to be true, actually looking at the evidence it doesn't seem like it. OpenAI would have to be explicit in copying the likeness. Something may still come out in discovery but anything discussed here is just vague supposition. #2 Is begging the question. It starts with with the premise that AI is evil and therefore Sam Altman is commi…

> OpenAI would have to be explicit in copying the likeness. Unless you are privy to the last 10 months of OpenAI's closed-door meeting notes, I don't think you have the authority to explicitly deny this. Time will tell what comes of it, but the obsession with namedropping Her among OpenAI employees feels like the final nail in the coffin. If OpenAI fully complies with the discovery process I don't have faith that Sam…

Did I explicitly deny this? By the same token, unless you are privy to the last 10 months of OpenAI's closed-door meeting notes you have no authority to assert it. But without those closed-door meeting notes, the evidence we do have isn't pretty unconvincing of any wrong doing. The time-frame is off and the voices actually don't sound alike if you compare them directly.

> but the obsession with namedropping Her among OpenAI employees feels like the final nail in the coffin.

I don't see why this the nail in the coffin. Why is this about the voice and not the technology involved in creating a natural voiced AI assistant just like was demonstrated popular movie?

Plenty of technologies have been inspired by science fiction including, most obviously, the cell phone. And comparing those technologies to the science fiction version is equally common.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by nomel »

CRConrad wrote: post #457
nomel wrote: post #250

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Regardless of the exactly voice spectrum, the plot would apply with any flirty female voice. It was not a movie about Scarlett Johansson. It was a movie about AI eliciting a relationship. For the “her” reference(s?), was there anything beyond the single tweet?

> It was not a movie about Scarlett Johansson. It was a movie about AI With Johansson voicing the AI. And now they're marketing their AI sounding like Johansson, referencing the movie that had Johansson voicing the AI. Yeah, no similarities at all there.

> they're marketing their AI sounding like Johansson

This is subjective. I, personally, don't hear it, at all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40435695

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by dang »

CRConrad wrote: post #462
dang wrote: post #417

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I can see how it might read that way! I just think the phenomenon is a curious one. Sometimes I post for that reason. There is, however, a more dominant rule, which is never to contradict an angry crowd, because doing so only produces more of the same. I break that rule sometimes but not often. (Edit: s/mob/crowd. I realized on my bike ride hours later that 'mob' was too harsh.)

> I can see how it might read that way! But you just cannot see how it perhaps reads that way because it actually is precisely that way?

Indeed not. I think most people who have explored their own feelings of envy enough to notice how powerful they can be will read my comment closer to the way I intended it.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by Xeyz0r »

xyst wrote: post #52
panarky wrote: post #6

Altman would have us believe it's all just an innocent misunderstanding but without actually saying so: "We cast the voice actor behind Sky’s voice before any outreach to Ms. Johansson." Is he trying to suggest the company did not try to make the voice sound like her without her permission? The statement sounds like it's written by a lawyer to be technically true while implying something that is actually false. These…

> We should not give a sneaky, deceptive and manipulative person this much power over our future. sneaky, deceptive, and manipulative is a tag line for many billionaires. you don't get that rich without stepping on many people.

In highly competitive industries, some may resort to ruthless tactics to outmaneuver their competitors... But I want to bleieve that not all billionaires are like that

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Post by Xeyz0r »

couchdb_ouchdb wrote: post #268

Does anyone else think this whole affair is wildly overblown? I'm absolutely perplexed by the blow back from the tech industry on this issue. Sam Altman tried something. ScarJo filed a lawsuit. ChatGPT took down the voice. That's it guys. The system worked like it should. But to suggest that he's a terrible person because of it is just beyond me. This is hardly a #MeToo type situation. She's a rich and famous Hollywo…

When the celebrity is involved is nearly always like that
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