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Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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You should tell that to OpenAI, who are the ones selling it as "her".

Drawing a parallel to a calming persona of an always on life assistant from pop culture in a few throwaway social media posts from personal accounts such as "Hope Everyone's Ready" isn't "selling it as Her" any more than Anthropic is selling their offerings as a Star Trek communicator despite a few comments they've made on social media.

> an always on life assistant from pop culture

It's not "from pop culture", it's from a specific film. Starring Scarlett Johansson.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Correct me if I'm wrong that had nothing to do with copyright and fair use is moot

In California, personality rights have the same protections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Celebrities_Rights_...

> In California, personality rights have the same protections.

Makes sense if you read "California" as "Hollywood", which has movie stars where the rest of the world has intellectual property.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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post #265

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Looking like a celebrity is obviously not an issue. A lookalike being passed off as a celebrity is an issue.

Was OpenAI was passing off their AI model as Johansson? Obviously not. If anything OpenAI tried to mimic the AI from the film Her and owners of that film may try to seek compensation. I hope that fails but they can try.

> Was OpenAI was passing off their AI model as Johansson?

Altman sure af was trying to invoke a character played by (and widely associated with) Johansson. So...

> Obviously not.

...[citation needed]

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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There are hundreds of people with similar voices. If any voice actor can pull the same accent than Ms. Johansson, it should be fair game, as long it was the original training material? Voices cannot be copyrighted or be exclusive, although I am sure Hollywood will try to copyright them in some point.

With generative AI training may not be needed, it can be part of prompt: imitate voice like in this file: her.mp3.

If that's not training, then it is, as you say in your suggested prompt... Imitation. You think that's somehow better?

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Altman would have us believe it's all just an innocent misunderstanding but without actually saying so: "We cast the voice actor behind Sky’s voice before any outreach to Ms. Johansson." Is he trying to suggest the company did not try to make the voice sound like her without her permission? The statement sounds like it's written by a lawyer to be technically true while implying something that is actually false. These…

I agree that he should have been honest, but from the opposite perspective. Altman should have said, "Yes, we made the voice similar to this washed-up actress, but her voice is not much different from anyone else with similar regional upbringing, year of birth, habits, and ethnic background, so we invite anyone else born in the mid-eighties, raised in Greenwich, and with Danish heritage, to sue us too. We'll see how…

> Danish heritage

Swedish, I would have guessed? Danes much more frequently use "Johanssen" with an 'e', AFAIK.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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> "Move fast and break things" is explicitly, exactly the wrong attitude for the person/team in charge of a world-changing superpower. Thankfully, they aren't in charge of anything like that.

Sure AF trying had to / would like to think they are.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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post #250

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IANAL, but I think the mistake they made was constantly referencing the movie 'Her' when talking about Sky.

Regardless of the exactly voice spectrum, the plot would apply with any flirty female voice. It was not a movie about Scarlett Johansson. It was a movie about AI eliciting a relationship. For the “her” reference(s?), was there anything beyond the single tweet?

> It was not a movie about Scarlett Johansson. It was a movie about AI

With Johansson voicing the AI. And now they're marketing their AI sounding like Johansson, referencing the movie that had Johansson voicing the AI.

Yeah, no similarities at all there.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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> We’re talking about OpenAI hiring someone to use their natural speaking voice. How do you know?

They said so, and it’s what I would have done. I have no reason not to believe them. Unfortunately a commenter pointed out that there’s legal precedent for protecting people’s voices from commercial usage specifically (thanks to a court case from four decades ago), so I probably wouldn’t have tried this. The cost of battling it out in the legal system is outweighed by the coolness factor of replicating Her. I persona…

> I have no reason not to believe them.

Seems you mut have reason to want to believe them.

Otherwise you'd have noticed all the reasons not to.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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"This is perfectly legal!" Actually, there's a similar court case from 1988 that creates legal precedent for her to sue. "That's just one case! And it's from 1988! That's 36 years ago: rounded up, that's 4 decades!" Actually, there's a court case from 1992 that built on that judgement and expanded it to define a specific kind of tort. "That's bad law! Forget the law! I demand a moral justification." Anyway, asking a…

If you approach a debate from a bad faith standpoint, don’t be surprised when the other person doesn’t change their mind. "I think you’re a liar" is a great way to make them nope out. Which is a shame, since you had a decent argument. Except it isn’t. Again, you’re acting like OpenAI tried to profit off of Scarlett. They tried to profit off of the portrayal she did in the movie Her. These are not the same thing, and…

> If you approach a debate from a bad faith standpoint, don’t be surprised when the other person doesn’t change their mind.

Yeah, so stop doing that then.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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I encourage you to look through this case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midler_v._Ford_Motor_Co .

1. The case is from 1988. That’s the year I was born. Societal norms are in a constant state of flux, and this one case from 36 years ago isn’t really an indication of the current state of how case law will play out. 2. Ford explicitly hired an impersonator. OpenAI hired someone that sounded like her, and it’s her natural voice. Should movies be held to the same standard when casting their actors? This is about as ab…

You keep harping about the "forty-year-old law!" (actually only 36), as if that meant it were somehow bad or irrelevant.

So I guess you wouldn't mind if someone killed you, since laws against murder are much older than that? Shit, outmoded old boomer thinking, amirite?

Wow, when you realise how you're coming off here...

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