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Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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> While not defending OpenAI or Altman, the caveat here is that this was a voice actor using their natural voice, not an actor impersonating scarlett johansson. How do you know?

"Sky's voice is not an imitation of Scarlett Johansson but belongs to a different professional actress using her own natural speaking voice" https://www.npr.org/2024/05/20/1252495087/openai-pulls-ai-vo...

Ahh, because Sam "Insufficiently Candid" Altman has never lied before?

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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This is simply not true. A voice actor doesn’t have to be skilled at changing their voice , especially in this context. Many are hired for their natural voice, like narration. When most film actors do voice acting, they’re just using their voice. They’re not hired for being chameleons.

That’s because film actors are hired to voice act for their fame, not for their skills as voice actors.

Yes, and another example is that sometimes the “skill” of a voice actor is having pleasing vocal cords. Again, this is why most narrators are hired: they sound good. Not all voice actors are chameleons. It is not a requirement for all voice acting jobs. If you listen to many audio books, you’ll see the voice actors usually have very very poor ability to modulate their voice. Laughably so.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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I'm not sure you're aware of the ramifications of all of this, or else you just don't care. The voice acting industry is now entirely dead thanks to your opinions on this matter. Nobody is going to reach out to Liam Neeson for his voice, they'll just have some voice tool recreate it and read the script as long as the tool can recreate the same emotional tones they're looking for, and it's cheaper than hiring the actu…

Getting rid of AI so people can do the work instead is another incarnation of the fallacy of the broken window.

All depends what lens you're looking through. From the perspective of advancement of the human race, AI is almost definitely a good thing. From the perspective of humans being employed at least in the short term, it's going to be very, very bad before anyone thinks to say, "maybe it's not necessary that all humans need to work if we don't have enough jobs to give them all. Maybe we need systems for allowing humans without a job function to continue to survive." But you don't need to listen to me, we'll all just see for ourselves because cat's already out of the bag and I don't think it's going to go back in. And the people that don't think it's going to happen won't willfully notice it's already happening to others until it also happens to them.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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If we're going to pillory Sam Altman, it's important to do it for the right reasons. That was not a good reason. I really should not need to defend this principle.

What reason do you suggest is more appropriate to “pillory Sam Altman”

Most of the other ones in this thread?

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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That makes it weird, but it doesn't (itself) mean they literally used her voice. It just means they were inspired by the movie. It's not illegal to be weird.

Legally they don’t need to have literally used her voice to have broken the law, never mind violating many people’s basic sense of what’s right and wrong.

They don't? Because if it's true that they used a sound-alike voice actress for the actual model, I don't see how any reasonable complaint about that could stand. You can't ban people from voice-acting who have similar voices to other celebrities. There needs to be something more to it.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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There are many people with voices similar to Scarlett Johansson's. If SJ is unwilling to be a voice actor for OpenAi, then why should OpenAI not find a similar voice and use that instead? SJ certainly does not have a monopoly on all voices similar to hers. Anyone in possession of such a voice has the same right as SJ to monetize it. And someone did in fact exercise that right. If you compare the Sky voice to SJ's, th…

Can they make that claim if SJ voice exists in the training data before fine tuning? We don’t know what they train on

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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post #112

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He strongly implied that it wasn’t an imitation.

We are talking about miohtama's argument, not Sam Altman. I don't believe Sam Altman, but I am interested in the general “is it legal/ethical to immitate something uncopyrightable” argument.

Altman tweeted the name of a film Johansson stared in in association with this launch.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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I think it would be more like "precludes you from work (arguably) deceptively impersonating the more famous actor."

Speaking with your natural voice is not impersonating.

You should tell that to OpenAI, who are the ones selling it as "her".

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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He kind of ruined that argument when he tweeted “Her” alongside the video. Pretty clearly drawing a line between the voice and Johansson’s portrayal in the movie. Incredible, really. It would have been so easy to just… not do that.

Given: 1. The plot of "Her" (guy falls in love with synthesized voice, played by Johansson) 2. Altman's affinity for the film (the article says he's called it his "favorite movie") Reaching out to Johansson about cloning her voice, then doing so without permission feels like Altman is creeping on her. The sooner this bubble pops, the better.

What bubble? This isn't crypto. Have you used these tools? They aren't going anywhere.

Re: Sam Altman is showing us who he really is

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post #328

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Speaking with your natural voice is not impersonating.

You should tell that to OpenAI, who are the ones selling it as "her".

Drawing a parallel to a calming persona of an always on life assistant from pop culture in a few throwaway social media posts from personal accounts such as "Hope Everyone's Ready" isn't "selling it as Her" any more than Anthropic is selling their offerings as a Star Trek communicator despite a few comments they've made on social media.
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