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Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Android 13 with 8GB RAM. I'm not familiar with the MediaTek Helio G99 CPU. Will this perform well or just be another underpowered tablet for $800?

At this price point, I'd much rather have an portable e-paper external display at a cheaper price. Seems quite underpowered

Indeed! A Waveshare portable e-ink monitor is $499.99 for the 10.3" size, almost identical to the Daylight's 10.5" display. The external display would also outlast this tablet device for sure.

And if I'm reading the MediaTek Helio G99 specs correctly, it seems to have similar raw performance to a Raspberry Pi 5. One could easily put together a little "productivity PC" using a Pi (or a Windows mini PC), a power bank, and have the added benefit of full-fledged desktop apps rather than Android versions of them.

I wanted to want to impulse buy this thing. But the above analysis, as well as the lack of any real hands-on 3rd party video-based reviews will be a no from me.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Without going into pricing details, what's the longevity of an e-ink device at 60fps?

As far as I understand it, e-ink has essentially a "finite" albeit a very large number of refreshes available, when moving the "nodules" to display different images.

Has the issue been solved? E.g. will users be able to get at least 5-7 years of heavy usage out of this device? Or will this become e-waste after 2-3 years?

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

Could you please answer my question? Here, without typing it again:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40459804

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

I have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc). Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. Th…

The lack of any 3rd party hands-on video reviews was the biggest red flag that halted any consideration I had to purchase this product.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

#96

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

Did you build the display yourself.

This was also my question, and I found what seems to be the answer. It's not quite definitive enough for me, but it's the best I've found so far.

> Note: it’s 60fps epaper, not off the shelf Eink. We spent years developing what we think is the best epaper display in the world and it’s exclusively manufactured by our display factory in Japan.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

I have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc). Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. Th…

You can see the videos here: https://daylightco.gorgias.help/en-US#article-509983

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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post #91

My biggest need is for an ebook reader. What abilities does it have in that area? Having trouble finding info on that on the web site.

- run the kindle app (android app) - run epub readers like lithium reader - use our PDF reader or others like adobe - go into the browser and download books - use google play books and its beautiful page flip animation lol

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

I have a hard time getting a sense of what the display is really like from the website and the embedded video (it cuts too quickly, uses depth of field shots of the tablet, etc). Given that this is all about a new display, it would be nice to show a more pragmatic demo video right upfront. A demo that gives a clear look at how the display behaves with respect to lighting, reflections, animation, touch screen, etc. Th…

I've tried it and it's extraordinary. Is it worth it, at this price, to you? That's something only you can answer. But it's unlike anything you've ever seen. I agree that it needs to be seen to be understood and hopefully they can get in retail outlets at some point.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you don't meet the same fate as Pebble. Maybe you can do a watch next?

need more feedback on what the use case / killer apps to nail of a 'pebble watch returns' would be

Week+ battery life, truly always on, sunlight readable, much smaller size/thickness and thus more comfortable than all other smart watches.

For me, the use case of a smartwatch is notifications. It lets me keep my phone on silent all the time without missing important messages or calls. Proper filtering is important so you don't get notification spam on your wrist but some notifications truly are important and checking them without taking out my phone, and even sending a quick reply, is awesome. I also use the "extend unlock" feature of Android which works with any Bluetooth device but especially well with one that is always on your wrist. Locating a lost phone is another great feature. Timers and alarms are a given of course. Maps navigation directions on your wrist can also be useful (but you get this for free with a proper implementation of notifications).

To me the paradox of the wearables market is that it seems like the only reason people buy them is as fitness trackers which they are actually pretty bad at. The numbers they report might as well be made up in many cases, and the weird metrics they provide aren't useful. The sensors make the watch thicker and less comfortable too. Meanwhile, it's actually super useful to have phone notifications on your wrist, but people don't seem interested, and e.g. Android Wear really sucks at it. (Can't speak for the Apple Watch as I don't have an iPhone, but I've always felt that the hardware design was ugly.)

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