Wants to break up of ticket master/live Nation.
Won't break up Google, telecoms, banks ,agriciltural behemoths, and a myriad of other monster corporates that control prices.
Color me not surprised.
US Justice Department to seek breakup of Live Nation-Ticketmaster
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#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one is forced to go see a concert. Somehow millions of people survive without doing it.
Agree. Somehow environmentalist have not picked on this. I imagine popular concerts would have huge carbon footprint.
I feel many modern environmentalists are selective on what they want to ban; it's typically stuff that wouldn't burden their lives. Case in point, I'll bet most environmentalists drink plastic bottled water.
Next up, replies with reasons why drinking bottled water is ok for environmentalists.
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#283The FTC and DoJ have been hitting it out of the park recently, unfortunately, there are a lot of judges out there that think corps should be able to do anything they want.
I wouldn't say they're hitting it out of the park; I'd say they've been doing what they were supposed to be doing but haven't in the last 20+ years. Having said that, it's nice to see they've finally woken up after all these years.
I want to see them go after the credit card companies. They can start by passing usury laws that cap interest at 10%.
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#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cynicism helps people feel smart, when in many cases it actually just reveals their immense ignorance (such as this case).
Or, they've lived on enough to see the impact of regulation go wrong.
Like good design, good regulation becomes invisible. Actual wisdom is recognizing and counteracting that bias.
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#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
Giving up on your democratic representation is not going to make things better.
What democratic representation? > “The preferences of the average American appear to have only a miniscule, near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy.”
Democracy doesn’t mean “every voter gets what they want,” it means every voter gets a fair opportunity to compromise with every other voter.
The primary thing that causes drift from fairness is lack of voter turnout.
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#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
This defeatist attitude is unhelpful. Are you prepared to lose nearly everything come November? What will you do when the dictatorship looms over you, will you accept your dwindling freedoms? What would cause you to actually stand up for yourself and fight for a better future? I see this attitude espoused a lot and I wonder if any of the people who say so will just roll over and accept a creeping totalitarianism with…
Dictators can actually get something done for you, I'd prefer that to our current anarcho-tyranny. "Francis's term "anarcho-tyranny" refers to armed dictatorship without rule of law, or a Hegelian synthesis when the state tyrannically or oppressively regulates citizens' lives yet is unable or unwilling to enforce fundamental protective law."
Can you describe precisely why you think the US meets this definition? Given that these terms are meaningful only in a relative sense, it’d be useful to hear your explanation as a comparison between e.g. Mexico, Somalia, Russia, or whatever other comparisons you find salient.
> Dictators can actually get something done for you, I'd prefer that to our current [x]
the historical track record of that sentiment is both plenty long and plenty awful. Are you ignorant of that history or dispute it or think it’ll be different this time or what?
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#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
This defeatist attitude is unhelpful. Are you prepared to lose nearly everything come November? What will you do when the dictatorship looms over you, will you accept your dwindling freedoms? What would cause you to actually stand up for yourself and fight for a better future? I see this attitude espoused a lot and I wonder if any of the people who say so will just roll over and accept a creeping totalitarianism with…
Dictators can actually get something done for you, I'd prefer that to our current anarcho-tyranny. "Francis's term "anarcho-tyranny" refers to armed dictatorship without rule of law, or a Hegelian synthesis when the state tyrannically or oppressively regulates citizens' lives yet is unable or unwilling to enforce fundamental protective law."
Given that you chose to quote from a noted white supremacist scholar, it is likely fair to assume that you fall on the same side as the hypothetical impending dictatorship. In that case, sure, the dictatorship will get something done for you. Until of course the leopard comes to eat your face as well. Also in that case, I can see why you promote your narrative of helplessness, since it will hasten the arrival of your glorious new era.
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#288PLEASE make this happen Uncle Sam! i am a lover of music, my friends are lovers of music, the circles i run in on the internet are lovers of music. i cannot express in words how much Live Nation sucks. they are ruining concerts. not only do they have a strangle-hold on venues, but why the hell are they "allowed" to run some in-house scalping ops? i cannot wait for the day i see their demise. i will not pour out a bee…
> but why the hell are they "allowed" to run some in-house scalping ops? Because the promoters, talent, and talent management are all in on it, TM just agrees to take the heat for its cut. That is not to say that separating TM from the venues will not help concert goers, but maybe not as much as you might think.
This.
I was a fly on the wall for a conversation with someone who runs a 12k seat venue. They guaranteed Harry Styles $5 million for 2 nights and made it work because.... "secondary". Even the venues are in on the scalping.
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#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
Going after ticket master makes no sense and would accomplish nothing. Artist set the price of their tickets, ticketmaster is a middleman/scapegoat. Seems it whole scheme worked perfectly if most think they're to blame.
Live Nation-Ticketmaster’s monopoly and colluding practices are what’s enabling them. Going after them definitely accomplishes a whole lot. Additionally, if artists were to continue the high prices in a more transparent manner without them, then that’s fine - it’s a free country and a free market.
Anyone who goes to concerts understands this.
This is exactly why this board is a waste of time. Half of what you read on here are people talking about things they have no idea about and/or no vested interest in the outcome.
Just a large collection of wankers.
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#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, they've lived on enough to see the impact of regulation go wrong.
Like good design, good regulation becomes invisible. Actual wisdom is recognizing and counteracting that bias.
All regulation has a cost. And if based on the track record of the US government, it tends to be high and even potentially introduce weird incentives that solve one problem but create two more.