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How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Post by mminer237 »

izacus wrote: post #140
mminer237 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know that view is popular, but it seems so short-sighted. Most companies can increase profit whenever they want, but driving out innovators and abusing goodwill never works out long-term. Look at IBM, Oracle, Intel, Boeing, US Steel, GE, Commodore, Quiznos, etc. I feel like the Google's stock holders are just getting the wool pulled over their eyes. An increase in profit often means a cannibalization of value.

People create, join and own corporation to get monetary profit from them. That's it. Is it broken? Yep. But the solution isn't going to be griping about a company doing what companies are built to do.

I'm mostly wondering why shareholders go along with it or even pay on premium on shares making a lot of money now that may be comparatively worthless in 20 years. Do they really believe this is sustainable? Do they expect Google to just start issuing massive dividends? Are they just hoping for a greater fool?

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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al_borland wrote: post #90
AstroJetson wrote: post #3

Thanks, I appreciate the detailed instructions. Just did all of my browsers to escape the AI. (Which in most cases looked like the first choice just reworded some. OTOH, I'm thinking about clicking that Make Default button on DuckDuckGo and skipping the entire mess.

Check out Kagi, if you’re willing to pay for search. It’s really good, and I’ve actually found their new AI features useful, and they’re not ramming them down my throat. When it gives an AI answer it has references to the source material so I can go read it. It also only gives an AI answer if I ask a question and use a question mark. If I don’t I need to click to request an AI response. They also have an AI thing to…

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Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Post by dezsiszabi »

jstummbillig wrote: post #66

Considering how much Google search has shaped my life, I am somewhat* surprised by the amount of people in this thread, who apparently have zero tolerance for continued innovation in this area and the rough edges it brings. *Oh well, it's hn, after all

I wouldn't call this innovation. It's half-baked (quarter-baked?) bad software that has nothing to do in a production system.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

100% of searches I do are from commandline.

For most queries, I get ~100 links, up to a limit of about 250-300. No blue links, just black and white. People complain about the quality of Google search. The complaint I have is the limited number of results. I have custom programs that process SERPs and I use search not only for "search" but for also for "discovery"; I want a maximum number of results, several hundred at least. In the days of AltaVista I could get thousands.

Having used this commandline search method for decades, there does not seem to be any effect of "search history" on the results I get. All the search engines appear to rely on Javascript to "learn" about www users.

Whereas if I do a search in a popular browser, an absurdly large program that runs other peoples' Javascript indiscriminantly, I can easily see how search history is being used to modify the results. It's comically bad. And that is what most people seem to complain about.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Post by nojvek »

Google's PMs are doing a new experiment. How much crap can they add to the search homepage without an ounce lost in their stock price?

Google has enough momentum that they could turn it into an ads only search engine and their revenue would still go up.

The default traffic they get from Chrome, Android and default iOS search engine is almost half the planet.

Microsoft could have eaten big chunks of this if their interface was any better but its a worse ad infested search engine.

There are smaller players but none have the reach that Google does.

Apple should make their own search engine, but under Tim Cook they are afraid to take big swings.

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Post by surfingdino »

skilled wrote: post #103
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI bubble? I wouldn't expect it but would be interesting to see if your prediction holds true.

I think it’s safe to assume that in the next few years almost all consumer hardware will be able to run a local LLM comfortably. And no one knows if LLMs can go beyond GPT-4 in a way that will genuinely blow people away.

> (...) almost all consumer hardware will be able to run a local LLM comfortably.

The last thing we want. For example, car manufacturers tried to make voice command work and the results are still unreliable; they also had experimented with touch screens and those are going away, because they are a poor and unsafe way to operate a moving vehicle. People want tactile feedback and ability to operate them without taking their eyes off the road. Why would anybody want an LLM in my camera, phone, washing machine, thermostat?

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Post by thefz »

mirsadm wrote: post #131
nolist_policy wrote: post #126

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Chrome, Chromebooks and Android. Non-Products: Kubernetes and MGLRU.

Android is anything but high quality. There are so many baffling and poorly thought out ideas it's a dumpster fire.

Such as?

Re: How to Turn Off AI Overview in Google and Set "Web" as Default

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Post by surfingdino »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #133
skilled wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s safe to assume that in the next few years almost all consumer hardware will be able to run a local LLM comfortably. And no one knows if LLMs can go beyond GPT-4 in a way that will genuinely blow people away.

> And no one knows if LLMs can go beyond GPT-4 in a way that will genuinely blow people away. Yeah that's a good point but a lot of people are now investing in this area so we might see more innovation happening in the space.

All tech that becomes ubiquitous is based on giving humans answers that do not change based a throw of coin. Your bank account statement shows the same balance for the same end of day query no matter when you request it; your GPS gives you directions to the same place every time you put in the same destination address, not to a place that looks like a probable destination you might want. The best uses for AI are those that do not use generative BS, but for ML that give us answers, patterns, action scripts. Our brains are wired for survival and constantly look for answers, patterns, and scripts that do not change at random. There is a reason why movies and stories follow a hero's arc. We want order, life is chaotic enough. Not realising that will be a rude awakening for all investors in generative AI.
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