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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by abdusco »

CharlesW wrote: post #161
delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

> Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. I hope so. I've been a happy Windows for Arm user (via Parallels on Apple Silicon) for a year+ and it's been good. Based on that, I think drivers are going to be the biggest PITA for ARM-based PC users for the first couple years — for example, Google Drive doesn't work for that reason.

I tried Windows on UTM (based on qemu, I believe) and the graphics were choppy. I attributed that to the lack of graphics acceleration. Is it also the same on Parallels?

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by estebarb »

jwells89 wrote: post #92
jsheard wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also notable that Qualcomm is officially upstreaming kernel support for the Snapdragon Elite platform that Microsoft is pushing, so those systems may actually not suck at running Linux.

Yeah, “ARM-based Linux laptop with 22h battery life” is much more interesting to me than “Windows 11 ARM-based AI PC”. If the TPU can eventually be utilized by open models under Linux that’s just a cherry on top.

Personally agree. But let's be honest: the big shift to ARM in desktop will only happen with Windows.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by kyriakos »

delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

Unfortunately announcement was very thin on actual details. For example is the new surface fanless? How's the battery etc?

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by trelane »

pentagrama wrote: post #156
jsheard wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also notable that Qualcomm is officially upstreaming kernel support for the Snapdragon Elite platform that Microsoft is pushing, so those systems may actually not suck at running Linux.

Yes, and Lenovo is releasing a new Qualcomm-powered ThinkPad, which are known to be a Linux-friendly laptops. > The ThinkPad T14s Gen 6 is, of course, business-focused. It will have the same Snapdragon chip, storage capacity, and webcam but will support up to 64GB of memory and one of three 14-inch display options: an IPS with up to 400 nits of brightness; an IPS touch display; or an OLED that covers 100 percent of t…

They might be "known" (recent experience may vary. mine sure did) but if you can't get support for the pre-installed Linux, you're just asking for pain.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by whalesalad »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

microsoft is KING of doing this sort of thing.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by bastawhiz »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Copilot is the new Watson

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by MangoCoffee »

ravetcofx wrote: post #164
jsheard wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the official line from Microsoft would be that most software should be using .NET anyway, and in that case the same binary should Just Work on either architecture. In reality there is still a lot of native software though, so who knows how that will play out. Games in particular will always be native.

Does Microsoft even push or care about .net anymore? They seemed to move on after UWP and now that seems to be forgotten in focus of more web apps.

Microsoft care about .Net. It runs the Corporate world like Java

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by Jenk »

voiceblue wrote: post #179
udp wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah but is that the Xbox 1, the Xbox One, the Xbox One X or the Xbox Series X?

This is the naming convention you get when you hire engineers based off of “edit distance” Leetcode problems.

No, it is the branding you get when you recycle your marketing team every product iteration.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by genewitch »

Dalewyn wrote: post #97
delusional wrote: post #18

The AI is the least interesting part of this announcement. Microsoft is giving ARM another try with a special branding that's supposed to guarantee some level of performance and quality. That's possibly huge news.

Not quite. Hidden at the very end of Microsoft's blognouncement[1] is this tidbit (emphasis mine): > We look forward to expanding through deep partnerships with Intel and AMD, starting with Lunar Lake and Strix. We will bring new Copilot+ PC experiences at a later date. So it's less Microsoft pivoting to and giving ARM a try again but rather testing the waters and distributing the risks by introducing ARM into a line…

apple never wanted to use intel hardware, they were forced to by motorola/IBM et al; whoever was selling them the PowerPC chips told them to pound sand because the xbox and playstation needed way more PPC chips than apple. Apple made a business decision to switch to intel, which caused a bit of a to-do in the community at the time. That apple switched off intel at their earliest possible chance - that which took time to "design" their own ARM cpu - doesn't really mean anything, in my opinion.

I wonder how many people remember all of the hardware platforms that NT 3.51 and NT 4 ran on (Sparc, etc)

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by jerlam »

llsf wrote: post #190

I cannot wait to see Apple's response. While Microsoft announcement seems rush and products half backed/thought, there are on to something. I would hope Apple would learn from it, and find the right path. I would really like to have a AI companion that runs locally, on my dev laptop, tailored for my developer's needs. Something optimized for the hardware, and yet with tight privacy. Apple... your turn!

Apple WWDC is in three weeks. I am not sure they can change anything based on the Microsoft announcement.
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