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Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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I believe Stellantis is adopting the NACS (aka Tesla Supercharger compatible) plug. That turns this into a more practical car in case of emergency or if you need to make an occasional longer trip. Everyone shops for the edge case - what if I need to drive from Maine to San Diego, or what if I need to buy three rooms worth of drywall? The answer obviously is just rent an ICE for those rarer occasions. But obviously if…

The problem is that oft repeated advice it makes those edge cases so much more painful, to the point where they might just not get done. Like, have you tried renting a Home Depot truck? The last one I rented was barely roadworthy.

That’s not really fair. 99.9% of the Home Depot trucks are perfectly fine.

The real problem with renting a Hone Depot truck is that the reservations are based on expected availability. You made a reservation and you told them how long you expect to have the truck. But so did the person before you. There is no penalty for being wrong. It’s just an hourly cost and you pay for however long you keep it. Keep it overnight if you want to. Keep it for a few days. If you’ve ever read the fine print (you do read the fine print, right?), it will list a maximum rental charge. If you keep it long enough to hit that mark, they give you the title once you’ve paid the bill!

This is all fantastic once you are in possession of the Home Depot truck. But you can never count on it being there when you want it. Imagine that your local store has three trucks and 3 reservations for 2pm. You can call them up before leaving the house and they’ll tell you there are trucks at the store. You arrive in the parking lot and see a truck parked in the parking lot. You then buy all your stuff and walk over to the rental counter and there’s no truck anymore. One of the other people with the 2pm reservations already took it, and the person with the 1pm reservation isn’t back yet.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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$32k USD starting is not what I would call affordable. Even the Nissan Leaf starts lower. This car is honestly a bit of a joke in the US markets even for a small, simple commuter you can do much better here in the EV space. A used 2018 leaf would get more range, charge faster and cost less.

Why wouldn't you just get a Model 3 for that price? It's just much better tech, more fun, much better range and probably has better resale value down the road. Not a fan of the CEO for sure, but it seems like there are worlds between the specs and just very little additional $.

Compared to the Model 3, the Leaf offers seats-down cargo space that’s larger and less restrictive (hatch vs. trunk) despite being significantly smaller (~185” vs ~176”). Despite the 500e being smaller yet at 143”, its cargo space isn’t that much smaller than that of the Model 3 and also isn’t subject to the restrictions of a trunk since it’s a hatch.

Of course not everybody is looking for compactness or better ratios of external size to cargo space but for those who are, there are better options than a Model 3.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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I’m looking at leasing one of these because I don’t need a whole lot of car, since I don’t commute — mostly I just need a grocery-grabber, and it’s one of the handful of EVs that’s small enough to fit in my somewhat undersized garage while still leaving ample room to move around the car. We really need more Honda Fit type EVs… think small, cheap, and high utility, but the way things are looking the next several years…

Have you looked at Kia Kona EVs. I think they are close to Fit’s size

Kia is getting close, but they still refuse to break the $30k barrier. The floodgates to EV adoption will open for the first manufacturer to sell 60kwH+ for a true sticker price under $25k. That's enough range with a payment right at the edge of affordability for most Anericans.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Have you looked at Kia Kona EVs. I think they are close to Fit’s size

Kia is getting close, but they still refuse to break the $30k barrier. The floodgates to EV adoption will open for the first manufacturer to sell 60kwH+ for a true sticker price under $25k. That's enough range with a payment right at the edge of affordability for most Anericans.

Strongly agree. Of course, it’ll also help if dealers actually stock base models (very common for them to only stock mid-trims and up) and don’t sandbag them with massive markups.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Seems really expensive given when these were last in the USA they were offering $99 a month leases for 36 months, and you got the tax credits as though this was a purchased vehicle which nearly covered all of the monthly lease payments.

I don't think there are many places in the world where cars are as cheap as in the USA. The prices in Australia also include taxes and fees, which I don't think is a practice in the states.

Taxes and fees would amount to at most 3-4k in the US on the 35k car, depending on the specific local taxes.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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"Brings back" is funny, US market centric. They've had the revamped electric one in Europe since 2021. They stopped exporting to the US in 2019 or so. Now they're bringing it back to the US.

Kind of makes sense that ABC news (American Broadcasting Company) is US centric though :-)

I am also American and live in the United States. I don't expect ABC News or anyone else to write as if the entire outside world doesn't exist.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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The problem is that oft repeated advice it makes those edge cases so much more painful, to the point where they might just not get done. Like, have you tried renting a Home Depot truck? The last one I rented was barely roadworthy.

That’s not really fair. 99.9% of the Home Depot trucks are perfectly fine. The real problem with renting a Hone Depot truck is that the reservations are based on expected availability. You made a reservation and you told them how long you expect to have the truck. But so did the person before you. There is no penalty for being wrong. It’s just an hourly cost and you pay for however long you keep it. Keep it overnight…

Yeah, the logistics around renting are definitely another issue. But that awful truck is just seared in my memory. No idea if it was representative, I haven't rented another since.

Motivation to get over the activation energy hump for doing big projects is a precious resource, and every bit of logistics eats a big chunk of that.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Have you looked at Kia Kona EVs. I think they are close to Fit’s size

Kia is getting close, but they still refuse to break the $30k barrier. The floodgates to EV adoption will open for the first manufacturer to sell 60kwH+ for a true sticker price under $25k. That's enough range with a payment right at the edge of affordability for most Anericans.

The way the government incentives work for imports you have to lease rather than buy to get the good price. But you can lease the Kona EV, Toyota bz4x and its sister the Solterra for under $200 a month.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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If you want a screaming lease deal, check out the Subaru Solterra. It makes me genuinely upset I bought one instead of leased. Love the car, didn't mind the price, but wow these things are at a discount.

Because they are one of the worst vehicles in their class.

Everything is relative to price. The bz4x and Solterra were not great cars at their original price, but at $169/month lease....
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