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Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by gnicholas »

metadat wrote: post #29
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this headline mind boggling, as I've been reading reviews that cover the 500e continuously since it was introduced. A "brings back (to the US market)" or something would go along way.

It's just another submarine*. * Or similar media manipulation. https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html P.s. I hate linking to [what I perceive as to be] another stereotypically "privileged" guy's website, but it was the original place I learned of this mass-manipulation phenomenon. To be clear, some of his writing is good but what he stands and represents doesn't vibe with me. Yet I'm still in HN, fml.

Is it a submarine if it doesn’t hide the ball? If the topic is right there in the headline, isn’t it more of an aircraft carrier rather than a submarine?

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by asveikau »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #28
asveikau wrote: post #27

"Brings back" is funny, US market centric. They've had the revamped electric one in Europe since 2021. They stopped exporting to the US in 2019 or so. Now they're bringing it back to the US.

I found this headline mind boggling, as I've been reading reviews that cover the 500e continuously since it was introduced. A "brings back (to the US market)" or something would go along way.

Cars are one of those things that make Americans think backwards, and global markets don't exist anymore when some people talk about them.

I saw a lot of commentary when they stopped importing Fiats that Americans don't want a car in that size. It's still one of the most popular cars in San Francisco, despite the fact that they haven't sold it here new in 5 years. But we don't want that kind of car. They tell us that and we don't get nice things which are popular because we don't want them..

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by metadat »

gnicholas wrote: post #31
metadat wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just another submarine*. * Or similar media manipulation. https://paulgraham.com/submarine.html P.s. I hate linking to [what I perceive as to be] another stereotypically "privileged" guy's website, but it was the original place I learned of this mass-manipulation phenomenon. To be clear, some of his writing is good but what he stands and represents doesn't vibe with me. Yet I'm still in HN, fml.

Is it a submarine if it doesn’t hide the ball? If the topic is right there in the headline, isn’t it more of an aircraft carrier rather than a submarine?

A good point.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by allanrbo »

asveikau wrote: post #27

"Brings back" is funny, US market centric. They've had the revamped electric one in Europe since 2021. They stopped exporting to the US in 2019 or so. Now they're bringing it back to the US.

Kind of makes sense that ABC news (American Broadcasting Company) is US centric though :-)

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by CitrusFruits »

JojoFatsani wrote: post #12
aquaticsunset wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want a screaming lease deal, check out the Subaru Solterra. It makes me genuinely upset I bought one instead of leased. Love the car, didn't mind the price, but wow these things are at a discount.

Because they are one of the worst vehicles in their class.

I leased one and have been loving it. It's a great car if your not road tripping. The lease price really helps too.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by Aloisius »

asveikau wrote: post #27

"Brings back" is funny, US market centric. They've had the revamped electric one in Europe since 2021. They stopped exporting to the US in 2019 or so. Now they're bringing it back to the US.

Yes, a local ABC news station in Los Angeles writes news articles assuming an American context for their overwhelmingly American audience.

The article also explicitly says it has been available in Europe for four years.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by jupp0r »

asveikau wrote: post #32
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found this headline mind boggling, as I've been reading reviews that cover the 500e continuously since it was introduced. A "brings back (to the US market)" or something would go along way.

Cars are one of those things that make Americans think backwards, and global markets don't exist anymore when some people talk about them. I saw a lot of commentary when they stopped importing Fiats that Americans don't want a car in that size. It's still one of the most popular cars in San Francisco, despite the fact that they haven't sold it here new in 5 years. But we don't want that kind of car. They tell us that…

There is also almost all of the really reliable Toyota diesel engines for Land Cruisers, etc that never made it to the US market.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by ericd »

JojoFatsani wrote: post #11
greenthrow wrote: post #4

Yes the range is limited. That's on purpose. It's intended to be a city car, not a freeway cruising road-tripper. We don't all need to be lugging around a 100kWh battery for our typical 30mi of driving per day.

I believe Stellantis is adopting the NACS (aka Tesla Supercharger compatible) plug. That turns this into a more practical car in case of emergency or if you need to make an occasional longer trip. Everyone shops for the edge case - what if I need to drive from Maine to San Diego, or what if I need to buy three rooms worth of drywall? The answer obviously is just rent an ICE for those rarer occasions. But obviously if…

The problem is that oft repeated advice it makes those edge cases so much more painful, to the point where they might just not get done. Like, have you tried renting a Home Depot truck? The last one I rented was barely roadworthy.

Re: Fiat brings back its 500e electric model for 2024, with 149 mile range

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Post by jupp0r »

kabigon wrote: post #24
Phoenix5869 wrote: post #5

EDIT: in hindsight, i shouldn’t’ve dismissed this as just “oh it hasn’t got good range” . I will try not to be so dismissive in future. This should be good for an average commute in an urban area. Side note tho, remember when the high end cars had below 100 mile range?

$32k USD starting is not what I would call affordable. Even the Nissan Leaf starts lower. This car is honestly a bit of a joke in the US markets even for a small, simple commuter you can do much better here in the EV space. A used 2018 leaf would get more range, charge faster and cost less.

Why wouldn't you just get a Model 3 for that price? It's just much better tech, more fun, much better range and probably has better resale value down the road. Not a fan of the CEO for sure, but it seems like there are worlds between the specs and just very little additional $.
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