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Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by nephanth »

lispm wrote: post #137
davidgerard wrote: post #91

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yep. From Baldur Bjarnason: > For months, we’ve been hearing leaks about Apple’s talks with the EU about the Digital Market Act. Those talks were not negotiations even though Apple seems to have thought they were. https://www.baldurbjarnason.com/2024/facing-reality-in-the-e... The EU cannot allow a large business to mess around like this.

> The purpose of is the EU single market That's also a misconception. The EU single market is an important project, but there is a constant failure to understand the actual reason why the EU exists or also a purposeful misinterpretation. Countries joining the EU are requested not to join because of the single market, but because they want to join the political project of a more peaceful and an improving Europe. At it…

Small reminder: people in the eu, including governments, disagree on what the eu id about

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Post by pouetpouet3 »

surgical_fire wrote: post #244
paganel wrote: post #227

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> How arrogant can you get? Could be that some of the people in here are fine with a "Parliament" that is not really a parliament and that they are fine with the unelected European Commission taking decisions that affect us all, but that has nothing to do with "arrogance", it's just them wanting to live under a non-democratic regime. And facts speak for themselves, the technocrats in Brussels do not represent anyone…

> Could be that some of the people in here are fine with a "Parliament" that is not really a parliament and that they are fine with the unelected European Commission taking decisions that affect us all, but that has nothing to do with "arrogance", it's just them wanting to live under a non-democratic regime. The commission is appointed by the member states, which are all, supposedly, democratically elected (and I onl…

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Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by nephanth »

bee_rider wrote: post #282
mrweasel wrote: post #51

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They can't, Apple management have a responsibility to its shareholders and pull out of the EU or even threatening to do so would hurt the stock price. Also imaging the marketing spin you'd have to create: No no, we can't do business in the EU do to it's consumer protection laws. China is fine, they just execute or forcefully re-educate people, much easier people to do business with.

They don’t have any responsibility to optimize the short term stock price. They could decide that long term the changes required to stay in the EU were too onerous on their business and pull out. I think they’d be wrong, but they could do it.

Modern power structures, especially for a publicly-traded company, incentivize short-term profit over long-term viability.

That is because they have a responsibility to the current shareholders, not the future ones

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Post by Nasrudith »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #60

Imagine a world in which the EU instead funded research & implementation of public protocols to undermine US big tech? IE, they mention chat clients in the text, why not create something in the spirit of XMPP (or even revive it if the technical merits remain relevant?) I can almost feel it in my bones that there's a protocol behind "feed" websites like twitter & linkedin. Break the walled garden with open standards.…

It is always bizarre to see people advocating for boondoggles like flat out reinventing the wheel but fully government funded this time.

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Post by paledot »

formerly_proven wrote: post #197
Animats wrote: post #129

The EU is also grinding forward towards classifying all gig workers controlled by "platforms" as employees, with the platform subject to all employment laws. See "Improving working conditions of persons working through digital labour platforms "[1] Background: [2] Last vote in the European parliament: 554 votes in favour, 56 votes against and 24 abstentions. This is somewhat weakened but still stronger than anything…

Another angle: pension contributions. Pay as you go social security systems are of course extremely desperate for every cent they can get, and making self-employed people retroactively employees brings in big bucks.

And gives them access to pensions when they retire. Governments are so selfish, aren't they?

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Post by martimarkov »

simion314 wrote: post #219
martimarkov wrote: post #174

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As a fanboy what I want to see is not this message because this means fragmentation. I’d like to be able to manage my subscriptions from the settings menu. Honestly the most important part I feel DMA should have tackled and not just forced stuff on big tech. Yeah they are gatekeepers but they also provide value as gatekeepers. Force everyone to use an API for subscriptions management and if they don’t participate all…

Nobody forces you do not use the Apple Store, Apple Pay, Apple Music, Apple Siri Competition COULD make Siri improve, competition could make the Store better etc. You did not told me why you reading the text "if you buy your subscription from our website cheaper" is harming you? Are you having trouble with extra usefull information, I am not aware of this health issue.

No, the problem is I’m sharing my card data with a randomly company on the internet. I trust Apple and I want to be protected by their platform and to be able to easily cancel and not go into dark patterns where I need to call someone.

We all know that if this is an option and developers are greedy (which they are as humans) then they will do everything they can to push ppl to the payment gateway with least fees regardless of the customer’s privacy or security.

The text on its own is fine but it also increases the attack vector for most people.

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by martimarkov »

lispm wrote: post #211
llm_trw wrote: post #153

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There were two revolutions in the US that changed its politic course significantly. The EU has always been a beurocracy first.

That's a very simplistic view.

I was answering another very simplistic view

Re: Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead"

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Post by m463 »

bee_rider wrote: post #8

The EU will win this if they want. Their trump card is that, actually, making the EU not a viable market for the most annoying US tech companies would be a huge win for many of their constituents.

I thought their trump card is that most people (not corporations) really want this.
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