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Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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What kind of diplomacy would have prevented Russia from invading its neighbours?

The gunboat kind.

That's a great way to get countries to promptly ally with China and Russia instead.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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What were the vulnerabilities in your 1600 lines imgur alternative?

https://github.com/berthubert/trifecta/blob/main/README.md#k... has a list. The most painful one for me is that I did not know .svg files can contain javascript that gets executed in the site context if you can get someone to click on a link to your .svg file!

CSP would help against that. But at that time alpine.js was incompatible with CSP...

Anyone tried using the new csp alpine.js build?

https://laravel-news.com/alpinejs-csp

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Not sure I entirely agree? #1 > Or disable a hospital. The entire Ascension Healthcare system of hospitals (142 hospitals, 2600 total facilities) in on divert since 8 May because they had to switch back to paper records. Change Healthcare has lost $872M since it was attacked in February. Maybe it's more like the pandemic: seems like nothing, unless it affects you . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_(healthcare_…

I find it additionally odd that the author calls this era pre war. Ukraine is certainly at war right now with a very potent cyber state. Their infrastructure seems to hold up ok. It’s not perfect but definitely not doomsday like described in this article.

It's still a pre-war era for the Netherlands.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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This is a pretty scary article. And yet I have to say it’s weird to say we are pre-war. Ukraine certainly isn’t. So shouldn’t any scenario outlined in that article happen there already? The mobile network there seems to be operational.

TFA:

> Ukraine was already at war for two years and battle-hardened. So anything that was simple to break was already broken by the Russians. Then after two years, the Russians managed to break Kyivstar, one of the biggest telecommunications companies of Ukraine, This was a very destructive attack. But the Ukrainians (in and outside Kyivstar) are good enough that in two days they were back up and running, because these people were prepared for chaos. They knew how to restore their systems from scratch. If we get an attack like this on VodafoneZiggo or on Odido, and they don’t get external help, they will be down for half a year, because they don’t know anything about their own systems.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Author here - if you have any questions, please do let me know!

You talked a lot about how bad it is for governments to outsource stuff to Huawei and a handful of US clouds, but didn't really touch on what drive all those decisions beyond claiming it's due to non-technical leadership. It'd be great to see a somewhat deeper analysis than that in future. There are plenty of tech companies that also outsource a lot to the cloud, so it has to be more complicated than that, and there…

It is the most reasonable choice when you get to disregard the long-term risks because by the time they are likely to manifest in a problem, it's no longer your concern anyway.

I don't think it's accurate to describe it as "loss of progress", either. It just makes progress more expensive. There's no reason why e.g. those support & maintenance jobs cannot be located in the same country, or at least a friendly one - it's not like there's something magical about China that makes Chinese inherently better at 5G maintenance. Nor is there any reason why the data centers cannot be run by different companies in the same country.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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>Well US is not dependent on anyone for her Energy needs. China's strength is they have the means of production (and maintenance) of everyone today, including the US. All the energy in the world means jack squat when all the means of using that energy rely on China. Could the west regain our own means of production? Certainly, but it's going to take far too long at the point China starts pursuing Bigger Gun Diplomacy…

China makes consumer crap not our guns and bombs. In a wartime situation maybe people can’t get iphone cases from temu, big whoop. Not the first time the american population rationed consumer products in wartime. We will still have power and air, sea, and space superiority which is what really matters.

This is really out of date thinking, even South Korea is better at making ships than America now. In wartime China would switch from gadgets to bombs and drones and out produce us by an order of magnitude. They already produce 3x more vehicles than America; It’s 2024, not 1956. Review the article called “The return of industrial warfare”.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme...

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

#157

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You can convert coal to gas and petrol, and China has a lot of coal. So it can be reduced to an industrial scaling problem which China is very good at.

China imports coal from the United States.

Donbas - the part of Ukraine that is presently occupied by Russia - is called that because it's an abbreviation of "DONetsk coal BASin", one of the largest in the world.

Coincidentally, there has been a downturn in coal production there in the past two decades (and the associated closure of mines and processing infrastructure and unemployment) because of reduced demand. But if China were suddenly in dire need of coal, it wouldn't be hard for Russia to scale things up again there.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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>Well US is not dependent on anyone for her Energy needs. China's strength is they have the means of production (and maintenance) of everyone today, including the US. All the energy in the world means jack squat when all the means of using that energy rely on China. Could the west regain our own means of production? Certainly, but it's going to take far too long at the point China starts pursuing Bigger Gun Diplomacy…

China makes consumer crap not our guns and bombs. In a wartime situation maybe people can’t get iphone cases from temu, big whoop. Not the first time the american population rationed consumer products in wartime. We will still have power and air, sea, and space superiority which is what really matters.

China makes a lot of electronics on which our infrastructure and logistics run. Much good a gun or a bomb will do you if you suddenly cannot get them from point A where they are made/stored to point B where they need to be used on time.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Yeah, sure. But the US chooses who it integrates with militarily. An alternative approach would have been to say "hey, yeah we can see why you'd want to join - but this will foment tensions with Russia, so you can't". That is the kind of diplomacy would have prevented Russia from invading its neighbours. It would have been difficult to get worse outcomes with that approach than what the powers that be managed to get…

So what was first, Russia invading neighbors, or neighbors wanting to join NATO? I'll give you the answer: Chechnya. Thinking that Russia would never invade an independent Georgia or Ukraine is very naive, to say the least. If you want a "neutral" country, take a look at Belarus. A neutral country in Russia's eyes only has connections with Russia, not with the West. They make it very clear which countries they want "…

Ukraine will no longer be democratic come May 21st, unfortunately.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/05/16/volodymyr-zelen...

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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It is not an anti-Russia alliance, we Romania enter NATO to survive teh eventual Ruzzian invasion, as you can see from Ukraine war our politicians, even the communist regime was sure that a Ruzzian invasion is unavoidable (yeah, makes your mind segfault when you find out that communist Romania had better relations with USA and was preparing to resist a USSR invasion). You need to talk with Russians to understend thei…

I've never heard a single bad word about Romania or its people, and I definitely have a lot more ties to Russia than you do. No idea where you read shit like this, but you should probably avoid those places from now on to keep your sanity.

I'm Russian, and I've heard plenty rhetoric about "Romanian Nazis" when talking about Transnistria.

More so since 2022, because Moldova is clearly one of the prime next targets after Ukraine.

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