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Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

#81

Is there an enemy factor measure which reflects how many countries have to sanction/attack you directly before you are enable to maintain the economy and social services? It would be interesting to have an index of geostratigic resilience.

Cuba would be the most resilient nation on earth I’d guess

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #20

> I know it sounds devastating, but you have to get used to the fact that a new era has begun. The pre-war era. It is madness that we're in a position where this can be baldly stated by a PM and there has been no "huh?" moment when people stop and assess how badly the broader West's military, economic and diplomatic efforts have failed over the last 30 odd years. Possibly longer. I wasn't expecting to see land wars i…

Not exactly the first post cold war european land war either

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #9

I cannot agree more with the author’s point of view. As an illustration, many people want to use GPS for the safe positioning of trains in the European Train Control Systems. This makes the space sector happy because it justifies the expenditures incurred for putting things like Galileo in orbit. However, in a pre-war check exercise, one immediately come to the conclusion that all European trains would crawl to a sto…

Not sure I entirely agree? #1 > Or disable a hospital. The entire Ascension Healthcare system of hospitals (142 hospitals, 2600 total facilities) in on divert since 8 May because they had to switch back to paper records. Change Healthcare has lost $872M since it was attacked in February. Maybe it's more like the pandemic: seems like nothing, unless it affects you . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_(healthcare_…

> Change Healthcare has lost $872M since it was attacked in February.

The question is, what is the cost to secure? I've been in so many meetings where the cost of security is 10-15x the cost of a breach. It's horrifying.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #76
post #9

I cannot agree more with the author’s point of view. As an illustration, many people want to use GPS for the safe positioning of trains in the European Train Control Systems. This makes the space sector happy because it justifies the expenditures incurred for putting things like Galileo in orbit. However, in a pre-war check exercise, one immediately come to the conclusion that all European trains would crawl to a sto…

Trains use a variety of sensors for odometry. Losing one of them is not catastrophic.

Except the stated goal here is to replace these sensors with GPS.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

#85

I wonder if we, in secret, have “mutually assured destruction” of cyber-warfare. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me that major world powers probably have enough 0-days at any one time that they could use them together to format a significant proportion of the world’s computers and phones. It would be not be that hard to make these worms intelligently use IP to target particular countries. It’s hard for me to…

> I wonder if we, in secret, have “mutually assured destruction” of cyber-warfare.

Low-orbit nuclear EMP would be that option. Not cyber... technically.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #9

I cannot agree more with the author’s point of view. As an illustration, many people want to use GPS for the safe positioning of trains in the European Train Control Systems. This makes the space sector happy because it justifies the expenditures incurred for putting things like Galileo in orbit. However, in a pre-war check exercise, one immediately come to the conclusion that all European trains would crawl to a sto…

Not sure I entirely agree? #1 > Or disable a hospital. The entire Ascension Healthcare system of hospitals (142 hospitals, 2600 total facilities) in on divert since 8 May because they had to switch back to paper records. Change Healthcare has lost $872M since it was attacked in February. Maybe it's more like the pandemic: seems like nothing, unless it affects you . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_(healthcare_…

TL;DR hybrid-cloud, multi-cloud, or at the very minimum multi-region is a really good idea.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #20

> I know it sounds devastating, but you have to get used to the fact that a new era has begun. The pre-war era. It is madness that we're in a position where this can be baldly stated by a PM and there has been no "huh?" moment when people stop and assess how badly the broader West's military, economic and diplomatic efforts have failed over the last 30 odd years. Possibly longer. I wasn't expecting to see land wars i…

What kind of diplomacy would have prevented Russia from invading its neighbours?

150K NATO troops in Ukraine.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

#88
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of diplomacy would have prevented Russia from invading its neighbours?

Picking on Ukraine, the US not having a policy of signing new people up to the anti-Russia military alliance every few years [0] seems like low hanging fruit. Or not working to integrate their intelligence with the CIA [1] for the last decade. I don't speak German but apparently Merkle said that we weren't negotiating in good faith to keep the peace either [2]. These are the sort of thing I suspect Russia would see a…

It is not an anti-Russia alliance, we Romania enter NATO to survive teh eventual Ruzzian invasion, as you can see from Ukraine war our politicians, even the communist regime was sure that a Ruzzian invasion is unavoidable (yeah, makes your mind segfault when you find out that communist Romania had better relations with USA and was preparing to resist a USSR invasion).

You need to talk with Russians to understend their Zed mentality, they think God gave them the right to dominate half of the world, they will tell it to my face that genocide my nation is not personal, it is geo politics and Ruzzia must do it.

the way to avoid the Ukrainian war would ahve been if Ukrainians would ahve not been stupid and would ahave joined NATO with Romania and Poland, but the idiots still believed in brotherhood with the Zeds.

P.S I am using Z to refer to the Russians that are Zed supporters and to make it clear I am not referring to the entire Russian population, since there are a few educated Russians there that can see the truth.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Finnair at the end of last month suspended service between Helsinki and Tartu due to Russia's GPS jamming [0]. DME is being added next week and they'll resume service next month [1]. [0]: https://news.err.ee/1609328058/finnair-suspends-flights-to-t... [1]: https://news.err.ee/1609343694/finnair-restarts-tartu-flight...

Would it be accurate to say that DME is the equivalent of the deprecated US LORAN nav system? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN

DME (distance measuring equipment) is much simpler than LORAN. However, navigation computers can use multiple VOR / DME signals to compute position similar to LORAN or GPS. The problem is that DME / VOR are typically limited to 50-200nm (and even lower at lower altitudes) which requires extensive network to make it comparable to GPS / LORAN.

Re: Cyber Security: A pre-war reality check

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post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it be accurate to say that DME is the equivalent of the deprecated US LORAN nav system? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LORAN

DME (distance measuring equipment) is much simpler than LORAN. However, navigation computers can use multiple VOR / DME signals to compute position similar to LORAN or GPS. The problem is that DME / VOR are typically limited to 50-200nm (and even lower at lower altitudes) which requires extensive network to make it comparable to GPS / LORAN.

I appreciate the reply. Are there any canonical reference sources you would recommend to learn more about this implementation?

Edit: sources provided are helpful, thank you lsh123 and Animats!

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