OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk? • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by judge2020 » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:44 AM UTC

mwigdahl wrote: post #290

The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it. Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those w…

NDAs don’t touch the copyright of your speech / written works you produce after leaving, they just make it breach of contract to distribute those words.

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by zeroonetwothree » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:45 AM UTC

Buttons840 wrote: post #214

So part of their compensation for working is equity, and when they leave thay have to sign an additional agreement in order to keep their previously earned compensation? How is this legal? Mine as well tell them they have to give all their money back too. What's the consideration for this contract?

I assume it’s agreed to at time of employment? Otherwise you’re right that it doesn't make sense

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:46 AM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #321

mwigdahl wrote: post #290

The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it. Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those w…

NDAs don’t touch the copyright of your speech / written works you produce after leaving, they just make it breach of contract to distribute those words.

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Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by otabdeveloper4 » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:47 AM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #321

mwigdahl wrote: post #290

The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it. Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those w…

NDAs don’t touch the copyright of your speech / written works you produce after leaving, they just make it breach of contract to distribute those words.

Technically, no words are being distributed here. (At least according to OpenAI lawyers.)

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by elicksaur » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:47 AM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #321

mwigdahl wrote: post #290

The best approach to circumventing the nondisclosure agreement is for the affected employees to get together, write out everything they want to say about OpenAI, train an LLM on that text, and then release it. Based on these companies' arguments that copyrighted material is not actually reproduced by these models, and that any seemingly-infringing use is the responsibility of the user of the model rather than those w…

NDAs don’t touch the copyright of your speech / written works you produce after leaving, they just make it breach of contract to distribute those words.

Following the legal defense of these companies, the employees wouldn’t be distributing any words. They’re distributing a model.

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by RockRobotRock » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:48 AM UTC

so much money stuffed in their mouth it’s physically impossible

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by koolala » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:51 AM UTC

They all can combine their testimony into 1 document, give it to an AI, and lol

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by StarterPro » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:51 AM UTC

Glad to see that all giant companies are just evil rich white dudes racing each other to taking over the world.

Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:52 AM UTC

pizzafeelsright wrote: post #293

cdchn wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what other people have commented, you don't get equity. You get a profit sharing plan. You're chained to them for life. There is no divestiture.

Well, then, people are selling their souls. I got laid off by a different company and can't disparage them. I can tell the truth. I'm not signing anything that requires me to lie.

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Re: OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by RaoulP » Sat, May 18, 2024, 4:54 AM UTC

worik wrote: post #54

toomuchtodo wrote: post #24

I would strongly encourage anyone faced with this ask by OpenAI to file a complaint with the NLRB as well as speak with an employment attorney familiar with California statute.

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I don't see why this comment needed a flag or so many uncharitable replies (though you could have expressed yourself more charitably too).

I understand your sentiment, but I think a lot of idealistic people will disagree - it's nice to think that a person should stand up for justice, no matter what.

In reality, I wonder how many people attempt to do this and end up regretting, because of what you mentioned.