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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by rndmize »

swayvil wrote: post #102
rndmize wrote: post #82

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Honestly, I just don't get this view - moderation provides clear, obvious value. You know what, we can have an experiment. I'll provide a list of things that are handled by moderation, and you pick which ones you think should be moderated. * Spam * CSAM * Gore * Porn * Doxxing * Threats * Libel * Personal attacks * Racism/other 'isms' * Flamebait/ragebait * Advertisements * Insults * Duplicates * Off-topic * Low-effo…

All of those require the interpretation and goodwill of an authority that I do not trust (and certainly does not express my own will as well as I can do it myself). Why do you trust this authority?

If you're incapable of trusting some sort of authority on this, why are you here? Go host your own community. Everyone else in the world is willing to make some sort of sacrifice on this front so their community is, in fact, a community, and not a pile of trash.

As for trust - I'm not really sure what trust has to do with it. I evaluate communities based on their content, and what I don't see is often just as important as what I do. If I like it, I'll stick around - if I don't, or if it changes, I'll leave. The community is operated by the people in charge of it, it's theirs by default. Do you visit people's houses and refuse to take your shoes off because they're the "authority"? Seems like an odd thing to get hung up over.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by swayvil »

rndmize wrote: post #121
swayvil wrote: post #102

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All of those require the interpretation and goodwill of an authority that I do not trust (and certainly does not express my own will as well as I can do it myself). Why do you trust this authority?

If you're incapable of trusting some sort of authority on this, why are you here? Go host your own community. Everyone else in the world is willing to make some sort of sacrifice on this front so their community is, in fact, a community, and not a pile of trash. As for trust - I'm not really sure what trust has to do with it. I evaluate communities based on their content, and what I don't see is often just as importa…

You said that you trust them to provide this "clear obvious value".

So, why do you trust them to do that?

I mean, that's our difference here in a nutshell.

So stop dicking around the bush and just tell me.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by skydhash »

sofixa wrote: post #49
teitoklien wrote: post #46

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I’m 21, have been following HN since I was 18, from Asia. HN is perfectly accessible for younger folks, if you make it more accessible for casual unserious people, you’ll start getting more and more casual and unserious conversation. The UI is a good filter to remove folks who need hipster UI to just use a platform. HN is fine.

There is hipster UI, and there's not handling pagination, having buttons bordering on the unusable on mobile, commenting requiring a new page to be opened, etc.

I have a 11 inch tablet for HN casual reading. And I moved over to the laptop for serious discussions. My phone is for checking only because it’s always near.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by nicolas_t »

DenisM wrote: post #77
nicolas_t wrote: post #67

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I wish there was a notification for replies to comments I made. I feel that some conversations could be continued if such a feature existed.

It kinda went the other way - HN has a calming feature that prevents you from quickly replying to a comment on your comment. That was clearly on purpose.

I actually like the calming feature but what's a bit sad is missing thoughtful replies and only noticing them a day or 2 later when I know the person who left the reply won't see my reply to them. So, I think both could be complimentary, the notification doesn't need to be instant :)

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by fragmede »

vundercind wrote: post #59
bxksnche wrote: post #32

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To me the No. 1 reason HN is successful is that it doesn’t have to monetise its users. This leads to much stronger alignment of incentives between users and the owners of the platform. That’s not to say it’s not valuable to YC. It provides them with very good marketing to a core demographic they are trying to market to. Kinda like sports teams run by petro states. For social media platforms it means that HN’s existen…

It does monetize them (us). It’s an advertising platform, just one with a very narrow set of clients (companies ycombinator invests in) What it isn’t, is dependent on an ad marketplace . It’s more like a industry digest published by an investment firm active in that industry.

depends on how you want to define ad because every new apple product is going to have a post up about it. apple doesn't pay for that placement but its totally an advertisement for the product.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by fragmede »

sofixa wrote: post #49
teitoklien wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m 21, have been following HN since I was 18, from Asia. HN is perfectly accessible for younger folks, if you make it more accessible for casual unserious people, you’ll start getting more and more casual and unserious conversation. The UI is a good filter to remove folks who need hipster UI to just use a platform. HN is fine.

There is hipster UI, and there's not handling pagination, having buttons bordering on the unusable on mobile, commenting requiring a new page to be opened, etc.

thankfully, due to the simplicity of this site, it's easily parsable, and Daniel Wu made an iOS app which addresses some of those issues, called Octal.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/octal-for-hacker-news/id130888...

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by nicognaw »

elric wrote: post #95
amadeuspagel wrote: post #86

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What's to stop a bunch of chinese from invading Hacker News and just posting on it in Chinese?

If it weren't such an insanely difficult language to learn, it might be interesting to be part of Chinese tech discussions.

Users in these kind of platforms usually do welcome English posts according to some experience with Xiaohongshu, but registering an account from outside is challenging.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by fragmede »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #114
redserk wrote: post #45

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This isn’t a reasonable critique of the unpaid moderation model — the same model we’ve had since long before Reddit. Reddit has had several notable high quality subreddits entirely because of user moderation, and is able to host niche interest communities. I can’t think of a realistic business justification for a paid moderator to curate forums for some of my incredibly niche hobbies. These were formerly hosted on di…

I didn't see good moderation anywhere on reddit. From 2012-2023, nothing close to dang and I'm being generous with my criteria for moderation. Okayish for 'free' perhaps

the moderation on /r/askhistorians' lead it to get a lot of high quality comments.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by Tainnor »

gruez wrote: post #62
the_duke wrote: post #31

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Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: r/askhistorians or r/politics. No idea how the situation is nowadays, I haven't really been on there in years. But that requires a lot of effort from the moderators.

>Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: [...] r/politics not sure if serious.

Yeah, that's one of the worst subreddits IMHO

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

bobthepanda wrote: post #88
symlinkk wrote: post #87

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Moderation kills discussion. Hacker News and 4chan are lightly moderated and that’s why they’ve survived for a decade plus.

HN looks lightly moderated but there is a reason why the front page is not full of the latest and greatest political flamewar stuff like all the other media sites.

Never had a comment deleted on HN and only one submission flagged (link to a scientific study on p** sizes). At reddit, I had hundreds of comments deleted simply for stating the facts. It got worse, now I am shadow banned very quickly after creating a new account and posting a couple of comments. So just reading it using redlib now, wonder how long redlib lasts after those AI deals.
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