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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by the_duke »

aurareturn wrote: post #26
Etheryte wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: r/askhistorians or r/politics. No idea how the situation is nowadays, I haven't really been on there in years.

But that requires a lot of effort from the moderators.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by bxksnche »

aurareturn wrote: post #26
Etheryte wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

To me the No. 1 reason HN is successful is that it doesn’t have to monetise its users.

This leads to much stronger alignment of incentives between users and the owners of the platform.

That’s not to say it’s not valuable to YC. It provides them with very good marketing to a core demographic they are trying to market to.

Kinda like sports teams run by petro states.

For social media platforms it means that HN’s existence isn’t driven by the need to grow [1], leading to a focus on quality. Hackernews does this using the HN guidelines, which are rigorously enforced.

[1] insert graphic comparing HN growth vs other social media

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by eimrine »

aurareturn wrote: post #26
Etheryte wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

Something inevitable bad happens to those forums who make exposing pictures easy. Also applicable to IM.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by aurareturn »

the_duke wrote: post #31
aurareturn wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

Some subreddits managed to maintain pretty high quality in the past, with pretty aggressive moderation. eg: r/askhistorians or r/politics. No idea how the situation is nowadays, I haven't really been on there in years. But that requires a lot of effort from the moderators.

Yes, I've seen some. The aggressive moderation does turn casuals away and caps the growth of the subreddit though.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by silisili »

Etheryte wrote: post #19
DeathArrow wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think it's better than Reddit because it doesn't allow user moderators. That is the downfall of Reddit, as it ultimately turned it into a site where only certain viewpoints are allowed. Downvoting doesn't even matter, they just ban dissenters anymore. This is apt to happen with any user moderated site.

The other factor is that the mod(s) here are excellent and, and I rarely say this, rather neutral. No, it doesn't mean I agree with them, dang has knocked me in the head a few times over the years, but meaning I get to see both sides of arguments uncensored, so long as respectful and interesting. Really rare experience here, and I fear for the day dang leaves.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by amadeuspagel »

instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

A paid, full-time moderator.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by _spl »

aurareturn wrote: post #26
Etheryte wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN not having those features is a feature in and of itself. It does one thing and does it well, not having the same features as Reddit is exactly why it's better than Reddit.

I think HN is far less accessible than Reddit. This turns away the casuals, leaving behind the more hardcore users. Every subreddit with a large following eventually turns into a complete meme fest with low quality comments and trolls. But the smaller subreddits still offer good value.

HN feels like email groups. Lots of useful discussions but isn't very accessible to a younger audience.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by phantomathkg »

throwaway4good wrote: post #3

I believe the site is: http://okjike.com/ (?) I tried signing up - couldn’t get pass the sms verification - I am in some European country.

Assuming you OK with their privacy statement? https://post-okjike-com.translate.goog/jike-privacy/?_x_tr_s...

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by informal007 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #9
instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

Hacker news is great but it's not a social platform. Hard to follow someone, hard to chat, hard to form groups discussing various topics. It would be nice to have features of hacker news and reddit combined.

HN focus on the quality of content and underestimate the concept of user compared to reddit, I think that's why HN don't open the feature to follow, chat between user.

Quality ofcontent is the key of platform.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by informal007 »

sverhagen wrote: post #10

Amazing that a popular site can be shut down for a year, and then come back on top after that, without getting its lunch eaten by new competitors that use that whole year to catch up to them.

This kind of forum is hard to develop from zero, and it's don't have much financial potiential, the roi is low for new competitors. I think that's why there is not new competitors during this year.
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