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Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

yu3zhou4 wrote: post #48
chaosprint wrote: post #25

Most people still use WeChat, even for tech news reading. You have everything inside WeChat, which is like an OS. Some young people also use Hupu(a basketball app and forum but you can also discuss other topics).

I have WeChat as a EU user, but I can't post for some reason. In Douyin and Weibo it's even worse - I'm unable to create an account. Do you know how to overcome it? I rent Hong Kong number, but it's not enough to create accounts on those platforms.

On iOS, if you download Alipay from the Dutch app store it's a different program than the Alipay from the Chinese app store. A lot of features require that you download Alipay with a Chinese Apple account. I suspect the same applies to WeChat (I wish I remembered better).

IIRC, you also need to validate a Chinese phone number for some features. None of it is intuitive.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by swayvil »

rndmize wrote: post #82
swayvil wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Honestly, I just don't get this view - moderation provides clear, obvious value. You know what, we can have an experiment. I'll provide a list of things that are handled by moderation, and you pick which ones you think should be moderated. * Spam * CSAM * Gore * Porn * Doxxing * Threats * Libel * Personal attacks * Racism/other 'isms' * Flamebait/ragebait * Advertisements * Insults * Duplicates * Off-topic * Low-effo…

All of those require the interpretation and goodwill of an authority that I do not trust (and certainly does not express my own will as well as I can do it myself).

Why do you trust this authority?

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by swayvil »

nextaccountic wrote: post #80
swayvil wrote: post #58

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> A solution I saw in the wild is at http://reddit.com/r/generative This subreddit is actually moderated. And it contains a quite heavy handed rule: > To avoid disappointment, do not post AI-generated work here. Which is kinda absurd if you realize the direction generative art is going. (in 50 years, do you think the discussion between generative art with code vs generative art with AI will make sense?) But, such a r…

Trust me. The actual moderation is basically an automatic organic meritocracy. Your 2-second skim notwithstanding.

And you clearly have zero experience with generative art.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by mhh__ »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56
instagraham wrote: post #4

Every guild or community should have a high quality discussion forum like hackernews. But assuming you can translate the learnings from Hackernews to another platform, how exactly would you ensure high quality?

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

Honestly I think subreddits go bad after about 150k no matter what the moderation.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by spoonjim »

mhh__ wrote: post #104
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

Honestly I think subreddits go bad after about 150k no matter what the moderation.

The scale of the moderation required may need more than volunteer labor.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by imp0cat »

elric wrote: post #95
amadeuspagel wrote: post #86

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What's to stop a bunch of chinese from invading Hacker News and just posting on it in Chinese?

If it weren't such an insanely difficult language to learn, it might be interesting to be part of Chinese tech discussions.

The alphabet may be hard, but grammar is (supposedly) quite easy, compared to eg. Japanese.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by gpspake »

swozey wrote: post #97
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

I really dislike forums nowadays but I'm part of a /r/$car subreddit along with the $carforum.com and there's no comparison between using reddit vs the forum for quality data and not losing things to the ether. There are so many subreddits where great posts get lost, subreddits that don't allow commenting on old posts, being notified when old posts are updated, things like that. $Carforum has tags I can follow, just…

Using a password manager negated the whole signing up thing from me and I actually like it better because I'm signing up with a site specific email and random password instead of using a third party account that they might not support or that I might not use in the future. Mostly I just don't want my major provider identities associated with individual third-party sites. A password manager basically provides the same click to login experience without the side effects of using SSO.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by slim »

nneonneo wrote: post #92

FWIW, Hacker News itself appears to be blocked by the Great Firewall. Techies, of course, will have no problems getting through, but I’m genuinely confused as to why it’s banned in the first place…

subversive narratives under control of foreign power

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by swozey »

gpspake wrote: post #107
swozey wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really dislike forums nowadays but I'm part of a /r/$car subreddit along with the $carforum.com and there's no comparison between using reddit vs the forum for quality data and not losing things to the ether. There are so many subreddits where great posts get lost, subreddits that don't allow commenting on old posts, being notified when old posts are updated, things like that. $Carforum has tags I can follow, just…

Using a password manager negated the whole signing up thing from me and I actually like it better because I'm signing up with a site specific email and random password instead of using a third party account that they might not support or that I might not use in the future. Mostly I just don't want my major provider identities associated with individual third-party sites. A password manager basically provides the same…

Yeah you're not wrong, I use password managers for everything. The forums that require an email sign-up are typically always the ones with the annoying (to me) sign up process where I feel like I'm doing the equivalent of putting my resume information in line by line on a job application that didn't auto-input it. Age, required. Gender, required. Car model and year, required. etc.. etc.. etc.. Just got old to me after being on a thousand car forums over my lifetime.

I couldn't tell you how many birthday messages I get from 10-20 year old forums every year.

Re: Jike: The obscure social media app beloved by China's tech scene

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Post by ineedaj0b »

swozey wrote: post #97
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out, the answer is moderation. High quality, diligent moderation. Reddit is the ultimate proof of this. A highly moderated, focused subreddit can be a wonderful place. A loosely moderated subreddit quickly devolves into memes and lowest common denominator posts, which is totally fine for specific subjects, or even meme-based subreddits for a given topic. If you want quality, you have to invest…

I really dislike forums nowadays but I'm part of a /r/$car subreddit along with the $carforum.com and there's no comparison between using reddit vs the forum for quality data and not losing things to the ether. There are so many subreddits where great posts get lost, subreddits that don't allow commenting on old posts, being notified when old posts are updated, things like that. $Carforum has tags I can follow, just…

reddit is lame too. it's facebook for millennials.

facebook: boomers posting cringe rightwing/normie (back in my day we worked hard!) stuff with occasional wholesome bits

reddit: millennials posting cringe leftwing/normie stuff (my dog might be gay, am i the asshole? btw i like ukraine) with occasional wholesome animal photos

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